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Old 05/27/07, 11:05 PM   #1
Alshevok
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Mal'Ganis
Paladin Gems

If any paladins or any healers could help me decide on my gem choice by looking at my armory. I'm trying to even out my stats according to the new patch, i also have heavenly inspiration the green mp5 trinket, and eye of gruul, if that helps you decide on anything.

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Old 05/28/07, 1:27 AM   #2
Ngita
Don Flamenco
 
Human Paladin
 
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Proudmoore
[Healer] Meta Gem Selection

From my own viewpoint Royal Nighteyes are arguably the best gem and you have probably lost more in +healing because of being unable to use many blues ,then you would have if you went for another meta gem and used royal nightseyes wherever possible.

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Old 05/28/07, 1:51 AM   #3
Theras
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Tauren Paladin
 
Mal'Ganis
My wife puts Royal Nightseye in every slot, regardless of colour, unless she wants the set bonus (in which case she puts Gleaming Dawnstones in the yellow sockets).

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Old 05/28/07, 2:00 AM   #4
Ragnor
King Hippo
 
Human Paladin
 
Blackrock
Royal Nightseye for days here too (even pre 2.1). If I want to fit a yellow slot for a gem set bonus I prefer http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24060 over gleaming dawnstone but dawnstone is still fine.

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Old 05/28/07, 9:47 AM   #5
Iol
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Durotan
Don't under estimate the value of MP5 IF and When i need to put a yellow... I put a Dazzling Talasite.

Each dual color gems with mp5 you put have 0.5 mp5 over their ilvl. So if you put a Blu Mp5 only gem and a +healing only gem you get 1 mp5 less and same + heal as 2 Royal Nightseye.

So Royal Nightseye everywhere and Dazzling Talasite for me when i need to fill a yellow slot for a bonus or for a Meta.

quick trick to make the +heal meta work: X Royal Nightseye and X+1 Luminous Noble Topaz (or X Royal Nightseye, X Gleaming Dawnstones and 1 Luminous Noble Topaz)

Last edited by Iol : 05/28/07 at 3:33 PM.

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Old 05/28/07, 2:23 PM   #6
Llewelyn
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Paladin
 
Laughing Skull
In my opinion, the best gem currently available in-game is the royal nightseye (blue/red socket). If it's a yellow socket I tend to put in a gleaming dawnstone. The odd time I'll use a Luminous Noble Topaz, however that's only if I have one laying around taking up inventory space.

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Old 05/28/07, 3:00 PM   #7
Alshevok
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Mal'Ganis
yea i really like the royal nightseye, but i love my bracing meta gem, and the req. are more red gems than blue gems and more yellow gems than blue gems, and you have to have at least one more yellow or red gem than blue gem, so its really tough trying to gem royal nightseye in, if anyone knows some other good meta gems for paladin healing, maybe i can switch to be able to use more royal nightseyes

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Old 05/28/07, 3:20 PM   #8
 zeidrich
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Originally Posted by Alshevok View Post
yea i really like the royal nightseye, but i love my bracing meta gem, and the req. are more red gems than blue gems and more yellow gems than blue gems, and you have to have at least one more yellow or red gem than blue gem, so its really tough trying to gem royal nightseye in, if anyone knows some other good meta gems for paladin healing, maybe i can switch to be able to use more royal nightseyes
Wow, that was a long sentence.

If you look two posts above you you will note the answer to that question.

Quick trick to make the +heal meta work: All Royal Nightseye + 1 Dazzling Talasite and 1 Luminous Noble Topaz.
Plus, you should probably get a new keyboard, as it looks like your shift key and period are non-functional.

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Old 05/28/07, 3:32 PM   #9
Iol
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Durotan
Originally Posted by zeidrich View Post
If you look two posts above you you will note the answer to that question.
I was actually wrong.. It's X Royal Nightseye and X+1 Luminous Noble Topaz

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Old 05/29/07, 7:47 AM   #10
Behe
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Kazzak (EU)
I would just put Teardrop Living Rubies (+18 healing) to every socket slot and one bastard Luminous Noble Topaz (+9 healing & 4 int) somewhere for the meta gem requirements. In this setup, the best place to put Luminous Noble Topaz into is the helmet, which contains the meta gem.

Reason to this? Max +healing of course! The changes in alchemy have resulted in Super Mana Potions being very cheap, so chain chugging those when needed is not really a problem.

You can get mp5 and spellcrit from various items easily, but when you can put as much as 3 Teardrop Living Rubies on an item, that gives you already 54 +healing, and that is alot.

In raiding gear I'm running with unbuffed 1909 +healing, 19.84% holy spellcrit and 113 mp5, and I'll be satisfied if I can keep my mp5 at around 100 while having +healing and spellcrit going up with gear upgrades.

I see a solution here to the Bracing Earthstorm Diamond requirements problem, with Dazzling Talasites and so on. I would just like to ask: If you're trying to use a meta gem that gives more +healing, why would you use other gems that don't give +healing at all (not taking into account talents such as Holy Guidance now)? There's plenty of other caster/healer gems around to play with, that aren't about going for max +healing, that allow you to have more balanced gem setup, such as Mystical Skyfire Diamond and Insightful Earthstorm Diamond.

Edit: The above explanation about Teardrop Living Rubies of course depends on the socket bonus. For example, if an item had a red and a yellow socket, and socket bonus was +7 healing, I'd go with a Teardrop Living Ruby and a Luminous Noble Topaz, obviously. Some common sense won't hurt me!

Last edited by Behe : 05/29/07 at 7:55 AM. Reason: Forgot stuff to mention

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Old 05/30/07, 12:54 AM   #11
Zuqual
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Malfurion
Originally Posted by Alshevok View Post
yea i really like the royal nightseye, but i love my bracing meta gem, and the req. are more red gems than blue gems and more yellow gems than blue gems, and you have to have at least one more yellow or red gem than blue gem, so its really tough trying to gem royal nightseye in, if anyone knows some other good meta gems for paladin healing, maybe i can switch to be able to use more royal nightseyes
Have you accounted for the fact that a blue gem in a yellow socket does not count towards your blue gem total? If you dont care about the set bonuses than this sort of mismatching may help you sneak in the meta gem while still using the gems you want.

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Old 05/30/07, 1:41 AM   #12
Ragnor
King Hippo
 
Human Paladin
 
Blackrock
Mystical Skyfire ftw imo, it saves lives.

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Old 05/30/07, 6:21 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Zuqual View Post
Have you accounted for the fact that a blue gem in a yellow socket does not count towards your blue gem total? If you dont care about the set bonuses than this sort of mismatching may help you sneak in the meta gem while still using the gems you want.
This is wrong. The socket color has no effects whatsoever on counting gems for meta gem activation. I'll say it in bold so it finally gets into people's heads:

Socket colors only matter for socket bonuses!

And if you want me to quantify it, I used to have the old Powerful Earthstorm Diamond active while pretty much only having Solid Stars of Elune socketed while certainly not having 5 blue sockets in my gear.

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Old 05/30/07, 8:39 AM   #14
seul
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Arathor (EU)
As far as the metagem choice for healing goes: i've had Destructive Skyfire Diamond and Powerful Earthstorm Diamond socketed in the past, but with the new metagem requirements introduced in patch 2.1 i decided to switch to a Insightful Earthstorm Diamond in my Tier4 headpiece, and i haven't regret it.

After having a look at our WWS charts for post-2.1 kills it turned out to be somewhere in between 9 and 17 mp/5 for me, not counting the extra benefits you get from the static +12 intellect.

For regular gems, as it has been mentioned above, Royal Nightseye > all, the best yellow gem is Iridescent Fire Opal (for obvious reasons), unfortunately its Unique-Equipped, and also somewhat tricky to aquire.

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Socket colors only matter for socket bonuses!
I couldn't agree more, i'm still baffled by the amount of people who always socket their gems according to slot colors (especially tanks and healers). There is no reason at all to match colors unless you're going for the socket bonus (which, in the majority of the cases, provides less of a benefit than just going for the most beneficial gem colors in the first place) or if you're trying to meet a metagem requirement (while at the same time also unlocking a socket bonus on a specific piece).

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Old 05/30/07, 2:52 PM   #15
constantius
Soda Popinski
 
Pandaren Priest
 
Windrunner
I socket my pieces based on colour. O.o

Mostly because 80% of the sockets I have are blue/red ... so Royal Nightseye in almost everything, and Dazzling Talasite in the rest for the socket bonuses.

Yes, I lose 9 healing ... but most of the time, I gain 4 stam and 4 int, or 4 int and 7 healing, etc, etc ... I don't really see it as a problem. At a certain point, +heal becomes less valuable ... my "point" is around 1700 raid buffed (which I break easily). Yes, it might be nice to hit +2k ... but it's not as important as having a good mana pool, having amazing regen, and having a nice balance of stats.

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