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05/27/07, 11:05 PM
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Glass Joe
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Paladin Gems
If any paladins or any healers could help me decide on my gem choice by looking at my armory. I'm trying to even out my stats according to the new patch, i also have heavenly inspiration the green mp5 trinket, and eye of gruul, if that helps you decide on anything.
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05/28/07, 1:27 AM
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#2
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Don Flamenco
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[Healer] Meta Gem Selection
From my own viewpoint Royal Nighteyes are arguably the best gem and you have probably lost more in +healing because of being unable to use many blues ,then you would have if you went for another meta gem and used royal nightseyes wherever possible.
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05/28/07, 1:51 AM
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#3
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Bald Bull
Aurrius
Tauren Paladin
No WoW Account
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My wife puts Royal Nightseye in every slot, regardless of colour, unless she wants the set bonus (in which case she puts Gleaming Dawnstones in the yellow sockets).
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05/28/07, 2:00 AM
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King Hippo
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Royal Nightseye for days here too (even pre 2.1). If I want to fit a yellow slot for a gem set bonus I prefer http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24060 over gleaming dawnstone but dawnstone is still fine.
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The universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements. Energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest.
www.retpaladin.com
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05/28/07, 9:47 AM
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#5
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Don Flamenco
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Don't under estimate the value of MP5 IF and When i need to put a yellow... I put a Dazzling Talasite.
Each dual color gems with mp5 you put have 0.5 mp5 over their ilvl. So if you put a Blu Mp5 only gem and a +healing only gem you get 1 mp5 less and same + heal as 2 Royal Nightseye.
So Royal Nightseye everywhere and Dazzling Talasite for me when i need to fill a yellow slot for a bonus or for a Meta.
quick trick to make the +heal meta work: X Royal Nightseye and X+1 Luminous Noble Topaz (or X Royal Nightseye, X Gleaming Dawnstones and 1 Luminous Noble Topaz)
Last edited by Iol : 05/28/07 at 3:33 PM.
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05/28/07, 2:23 PM
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#6
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Glass Joe
Dwarf Paladin
Laughing Skull
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In my opinion, the best gem currently available in-game is the royal nightseye (blue/red socket). If it's a yellow socket I tend to put in a gleaming dawnstone. The odd time I'll use a Luminous Noble Topaz, however that's only if I have one laying around taking up inventory space.
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05/28/07, 3:00 PM
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#7
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Glass Joe
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yea i really like the royal nightseye, but i love my bracing meta gem, and the req. are more red gems than blue gems and more yellow gems than blue gems, and you have to have at least one more yellow or red gem than blue gem, so its really tough trying to gem royal nightseye in, if anyone knows some other good meta gems for paladin healing, maybe i can switch to be able to use more royal nightseyes
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05/28/07, 3:20 PM
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Square Tires; Frozen to the Ground.
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Originally Posted by Alshevok
yea i really like the royal nightseye, but i love my bracing meta gem, and the req. are more red gems than blue gems and more yellow gems than blue gems, and you have to have at least one more yellow or red gem than blue gem, so its really tough trying to gem royal nightseye in, if anyone knows some other good meta gems for paladin healing, maybe i can switch to be able to use more royal nightseyes
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Wow, that was a long sentence.
If you look two posts above you you will note the answer to that question.
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Quick trick to make the +heal meta work: All Royal Nightseye + 1 Dazzling Talasite and 1 Luminous Noble Topaz.
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Plus, you should probably get a new keyboard, as it looks like your shift key and period are non-functional.
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05/28/07, 3:32 PM
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by zeidrich
If you look two posts above you you will note the answer to that question.
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I was actually wrong.. It's X Royal Nightseye and X+1 Luminous Noble Topaz
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05/29/07, 7:47 AM
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Paladin
Kazzak (EU)
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I would just put Teardrop Living Rubies (+18 healing) to every socket slot and one bastard Luminous Noble Topaz (+9 healing & 4 int) somewhere for the meta gem requirements. In this setup, the best place to put Luminous Noble Topaz into is the helmet, which contains the meta gem.
Reason to this? Max +healing of course! The changes in alchemy have resulted in Super Mana Potions being very cheap, so chain chugging those when needed is not really a problem.
You can get mp5 and spellcrit from various items easily, but when you can put as much as 3 Teardrop Living Rubies on an item, that gives you already 54 +healing, and that is alot.
In raiding gear I'm running with unbuffed 1909 +healing, 19.84% holy spellcrit and 113 mp5, and I'll be satisfied if I can keep my mp5 at around 100 while having +healing and spellcrit going up with gear upgrades.
I see a solution here to the Bracing Earthstorm Diamond requirements problem, with Dazzling Talasites and so on. I would just like to ask: If you're trying to use a meta gem that gives more +healing, why would you use other gems that don't give +healing at all (not taking into account talents such as Holy Guidance now)? There's plenty of other caster/healer gems around to play with, that aren't about going for max +healing, that allow you to have more balanced gem setup, such as Mystical Skyfire Diamond and Insightful Earthstorm Diamond.
Edit: The above explanation about Teardrop Living Rubies of course depends on the socket bonus. For example, if an item had a red and a yellow socket, and socket bonus was +7 healing, I'd go with a Teardrop Living Ruby and a Luminous Noble Topaz, obviously. Some common sense won't hurt me!
Last edited by Behe : 05/29/07 at 7:55 AM.
Reason: Forgot stuff to mention
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05/30/07, 12:54 AM
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Alshevok
yea i really like the royal nightseye, but i love my bracing meta gem, and the req. are more red gems than blue gems and more yellow gems than blue gems, and you have to have at least one more yellow or red gem than blue gem, so its really tough trying to gem royal nightseye in, if anyone knows some other good meta gems for paladin healing, maybe i can switch to be able to use more royal nightseyes
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Have you accounted for the fact that a blue gem in a yellow socket does not count towards your blue gem total? If you dont care about the set bonuses than this sort of mismatching may help you sneak in the meta gem while still using the gems you want.
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05/30/07, 1:41 AM
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King Hippo
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Mystical Skyfire ftw imo, it saves lives.
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The universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements. Energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest.
www.retpaladin.com
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05/30/07, 6:21 AM
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Ginakursia
Goblin Warlock
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by Zuqual
Have you accounted for the fact that a blue gem in a yellow socket does not count towards your blue gem total? If you dont care about the set bonuses than this sort of mismatching may help you sneak in the meta gem while still using the gems you want.
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This is wrong. The socket color has no effects whatsoever on counting gems for meta gem activation. I'll say it in bold so it finally gets into people's heads:
Socket colors only matter for socket bonuses!
And if you want me to quantify it, I used to have the old Powerful Earthstorm Diamond active while pretty much only having Solid Stars of Elune socketed while certainly not having 5 blue sockets in my gear.
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05/30/07, 8:39 AM
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Paladin
Arathor (EU)
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As far as the metagem choice for healing goes: i've had Destructive Skyfire Diamond and Powerful Earthstorm Diamond socketed in the past, but with the new metagem requirements introduced in patch 2.1 i decided to switch to a Insightful Earthstorm Diamond in my Tier4 headpiece, and i haven't regret it.
After having a look at our WWS charts for post-2.1 kills it turned out to be somewhere in between 9 and 17 mp/5 for me, not counting the extra benefits you get from the static +12 intellect.
For regular gems, as it has been mentioned above, Royal Nightseye > all, the best yellow gem is Iridescent Fire Opal (for obvious reasons), unfortunately its Unique-Equipped, and also somewhat tricky to aquire.
Originally Posted by Chicken
Socket colors only matter for socket bonuses!
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I couldn't agree more, i'm still baffled by the amount of people who always socket their gems according to slot colors (especially tanks and healers). There is no reason at all to match colors unless you're going for the socket bonus (which, in the majority of the cases, provides less of a benefit than just going for the most beneficial gem colors in the first place) or if you're trying to meet a metagem requirement (while at the same time also unlocking a socket bonus on a specific piece).
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05/30/07, 2:52 PM
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Soda Popinski
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I socket my pieces based on colour. O.o
Mostly because 80% of the sockets I have are blue/red ... so Royal Nightseye in almost everything, and Dazzling Talasite in the rest for the socket bonuses.
Yes, I lose 9 healing ... but most of the time, I gain 4 stam and 4 int, or 4 int and 7 healing, etc, etc ... I don't really see it as a problem. At a certain point, +heal becomes less valuable ... my "point" is around 1700 raid buffed (which I break easily). Yes, it might be nice to hit +2k ... but it's not as important as having a good mana pool, having amazing regen, and having a nice balance of stats.
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05/30/07, 3:06 PM
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King Hippo
Byashi
Gnome Warrior
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
Mystical Skyfire ftw imo, it saves lives.
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I've been using mystical because well insightfull was impossible to activate. I'm using insightful now, it's definately the better gem, but I have to admit I've been underestimating mystical.
Royals are the best gems, there's 2 exceptions: first sometimes using one nonroyal gem along with getting the bonus is better - for example the pukebringer pants from chess event; second is insightful meta which isn't that big of a deal - again with stuff like pukebringer pants you can satisfy that without loosing anything.
Obviously my opinion, but I think the heal/threat meta is weak, you' should be deciding between insightful and mystical.
e: for pvp; 12 stam, 8 int and the new 6 stam 4 int gem, but I'm not sure, there's rumors it's unique-equipped. There's a 5 int 6 stam epic one from heroic tombs which is definately unique.
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05/30/07, 7:40 PM
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King Hippo
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Looking at various wws logs on the hosted site you normally see Mana Restore (Insightful) proc about twice in a 10min fight where as you'll see mystical skyfire proc 15-20x. That's the feeling I got when I tried them also.
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The universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements. Energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest.
www.retpaladin.com
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05/31/07, 3:57 AM
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Paladin
Antonidas (EU)
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
Looking at various wws logs on the hosted site you normally see Mana Restore (Insightful) proc about twice in a 10min fight where as you'll see mystical skyfire proc 15-20x. That's the feeling I got when I tried them also.
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That's the feeling I got, after the Patch, too.
Before 2.1 the Insightful Earthstorm seemed to proc much more than after 2.1, I even got double procs on HL and I was getting a total of approximately 20 - 30 mp/5 just from Mana Restore procs, according to data I've collected with recap. Now after the patch it seems to me, as if not only the requirements for the gem got nerfed, but also the gem itself got nerfed (last time I looked at my recap data I was getting 2 procs on a 10 Minutes fight, for a total of crappy 4 mp/5). Overall I'd say go with Royal Nightseye where ever you can and use a mystical skyfire, if you want to use a metagem at all.
Last edited by Elindra : 05/31/07 at 4:34 AM.
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06/06/07, 8:08 PM
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#19
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Von Kaiser
Draenei Shaman
Thrall (EU)
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Today, I merged my logfiles from the last 10 boss fights. Only the boss fights, no trash.
The Insightful Earthstorm works like 9 mp/5 from Mana Restore using 75% FoL casts and 25% HL casts healing pattern.
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06/06/07, 11:04 PM
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Soda Popinski
No active account.
Orc Death Knight
No WoW Account
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I'm a fan of the mystical skyfire. It has earned it's keep in arena play enough for me. Nothing matches this proc in terms of being able to throw down huge HPS when you need it. Getting spells in .75 - 1 second has also let me get spells off just before CS hits, that benefit is pretty huge.
For normal gems I like royal when possible. I'm playing with dazzling talasites for yellow slots at the moment, as sometimes more +healing isn't as useful as having more mana available. Yeah you can chain chug, but sometimes you need to spend more time using HL and every bit helps.
Last edited by Zraknul : 06/06/07 at 11:09 PM.
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