Hi, I would like to get some calculations about enhancement shamans group buffs and damage versus some other dps class. Which one is better for over all raid dps? bcs atm I'm in a situation that my guilds GM is forcing me to spec resto by telling me that my buffs to group doesn't outweight the damage "fix" I got in 2.1. So please can you help me do some math.

My GM and Raid Leader will have to pry my shaman from my cold dead fingers.

If they did nothing more than drop totems and /dance, they are adding enough value to the dps warrior, rogue, rogue, rogue group that they're in to justify a place.

I'll try and get some actual numbers for you on our next tank and spank, but I have the mages and warlocks crying salty tears of QQ about my increased DPS. Hmmm, salty warlock tears.

Of course, if you're short of healing, then spec resto for a while, or find a guild that will appreciate your buffs.

(PS: Our guild gets on very well, we do compete very hard on the DPS charts and there is real min/max competition going on between the rogues/casters and DPS warrior for top dog.)

How about comparing rogues damage with normal shaman totems and whitout unleashed rage and with imp. enhancing totems, unleashed rage and imp. weapon totems.

Strength of Earth Totem: 86 str untalented 98 str talented.
Windfury Totem: +445 ap to extra attack untalented 578 ap talented.

Are you ignoring everything that people are telling you?

More often than not, when hybrids are asked to spec holy/resto it is because you are short on healers, not because a hybrids tends to be dead weight on a raid. Tipically, enh shaman DPS for my guild is not anything spectacular, I have never seen a shaman come close to Sebudai, but the added synergy makes it worth it.

Figure that the tipical melee group is 2 rogues, 2 warrior, 1 shaman or 3 rogues, 1 warrior. Check how much AP is added by your totems, there are plenty of useful spreadsheets on this board, and verify the contributions that are due specifically to unleashed rage, and enhanced totems, since you can add a basic windfury totem+strength of earth totem as a restoration shaman.

That's not really the argument. The argument is if War/3 rogues/enh shaman + say, a resto druid healing, is > than War/3 rogues/resto shaman + say, an affliction warlock dotting. You are trading a resto shaman for a resto druid, and an enh shaman for an affliction warlock.

Shamans are obviously amazing for melees groups, enh shamans it is a bit harder to clearly establish.

Atm im going through different class dps spreadsheets and trying to figure that out. And im sorry for making this kind of topic with no numbers or anything to give.

You can figure this all out on your own and all its going to cost you is some time and money.

Get a melee group together, a warrior and some rogues, maybe a feral druid, from your raid and take them all down to the blasted lands. Have them go nuts on the invincible mobs there and record their DPS using a damage meter of some sort. Then go spec enhance and record them again. Show those numbers to your raid.

The other aspect of your problem is kind of the social issue of it - why the heck are your warriors/rogues not screaming in protest over losing UR and the talented totems?

Yeah kinda, but in my guild warlocks, spriests and mages are doing sick dmg ofc some encounters are differen't but this is exactly the situation that Mearis was talking about:


Still struggling with runic hammer bcs al'ar didn't drop Netherbane but im getting enough arena points so I can buy on Gladiator's Cleaver wednesday.

One of the most convincing arguments is to show how much AP is gained from Unleashed Rage for the group. With the consumable changes, it's almost certain that UR will provide more AP than any consumables the group has, and it will augment the power of any they do use.

I don't see how the nerf to consumables makes UR better or worse. It does the same thing it did before. It was always good, and in my opinion better when you could buff AP higher from consumables, and it's still good now. You are just gaining "more" AP in comparison to prepatch, because you cannot self buff as high, but it's still 10% of your total AP, which it always was.

Because now its the only source of an increase you can give the group. If your melee aren't quite putting out enough DPS you can't tell them to go farm a couple more elixirs to stack, but you *can* put an enhance shaman in their group and give them a 10% bonus AP. Its "better" post patch not because it changed, but because consumables did. Nights that the shaman doesn't show up for the raid cannot be compensated for by just throwing on some more consumables.