Herb

After about 3000 Shivs against level 70-72 mobs with only hits and crits, I'm beginning to believe the rumor Shiv cannot be dodged; actually, it looks like it cannot be avoided at all - even in a faked duel vs. a protection-heavy warrior (20%ish parry, dodge and block) it only ever hit or crit.

Can anybody find a counterexample?

 

Melnor

If the rogue in question has the Suprise Attacks talent, it would make Shiv un-dodgeable.
An ideal test would be to have a non combat spec rogue shiv spam another rogue that has evasion running.

 

• Maestroquark

If this is happening, it's a bug, since it's supposed to be finishing moves that are not dodgeable.

 

◊ castille

I'm afraid that's untrue, sir. Surprise Attacks affects Finishing Moves.

 

Backpain

For what its worth, I shiv through evasion when combating rogues.. The tooltip is a bit ambiguous when it comes to the mechanics of Shiv, and whether or not it can be avoided.

"Performs an instant off-hand weapon attack that automatically applies the poison from your off-hand weapon to the target. Slower weapons require more Energy. Awards 1 combo point."

Key word being "automatically" perhaps?

 

Tower

I believe this is the function of Shiv (to automatically apply offhand poison) overwriting combat mechanics (avoidance/mitigation). Must be coded that in order for poison to be applied via the offhand weapon, the offhand weapon must connect with it's target.

I honestly hope it's never changed, it's a hefty energy investment to get your target snared (there's still a chance for the application to be resisted) and lowers our ability to toss out burst damage.

 

◊ Kalman

DSM and I tested this way back in beta and confirmed that Shiv was undodgeable.

http://mmorchive.net

The WoW forums, explained:

 

Melnor

"Your Sinister Strike, Backstab, Shiv and Gouge abilities can no longer be dodged and damage caused by those abilities is increased by 10%"

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...e/talents.html

I pulled my information from mousing over the talent.

Either Thottbot or the WoW site is wrong. I can't see what it says in game because I'm at work.

Edit: Checked in game and it is Finishing Moves only -- stupid WoW site!

 

◊ castille

That was the original Surprise Attacks talent, changed soon after it was announced (maybe a week or two at most?). I enjoyed the hell out of PvP with that version, though the 'new' one still allows you to KS an evading rogue to slap them around.

 

gotroot

Pre 2.1, I have had the attack from Shiv miss (I think it was dodged or parried) but the poison still hit my target. I remember seeing the text from SCT and thinking it was odd.

 

Herb

What does "DSM" mean? I heard about the undodgeable part, but my sample size has only gotten larger and i still haven't found a single parry yet.

I'll repeat my question: can anybody find a counterexample (proving that Shiv, in fact, can be parried?)

 

Orinas

Shiv can't be dodged/parriedblocked, but it can miss. Surprise attacks is only finishers.

 

Cyrithor

DSM is Diesem, a gnome Rogue.