Relentless Earthstorm Diamond - melee only? - Page 8

Vulkaire · 10/05/07, 3:53 AM

WoW forums-alternative caster meta.

It looks like RED will not be fixed to work with spells again. They are however planning to add another meta that "fills that gap".

• Aldriana · 10/06/07, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by Vulajin

Finally got around to re-testing it myself. First, without RED:

Auto Attack: 129 / 264 - 204.7%
Sinister Strike: 247 / 581 - 235.2%

Then, with RED:

Auto Attack: 144 / 302 - 209.7%
Sinister Strike: 265 / 643 - 242.6%

Not entirely clear what's going on with the white crits without RED, but it does appear that RED is increasing them further.

I investigated this a bit myself, and after 15 minutes of stabbing rats and a respec, the answer seems to be that Murder applies twice on crits. On regular white attacks one does baseDamage*1.02 damage; on crits, one does baseDamage*1.02*2*1.02 damage, which is why it's showing up as 204% of base damage.

Also, apparently "critters" count as "beasts".

grover · 10/07/07, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

I investigated this a bit myself, and after 15 minutes of stabbing rats and a respec, the answer seems to be that Murder applies twice on crits. On regular white attacks one does baseDamage*1.02 damage; on crits, one does baseDamage*1.02*2*1.02 damage, which is why it's showing up as 204% of base damage.

Also, apparently "critters" count as "beasts".

I think all the talents that increase damage against certain mob types count twice on crits. The paladin talent crusade works exactly the same.

◊ Vulajin · 10/07/07, 2:44 AM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

I investigated this a bit myself, and after 15 minutes of stabbing rats and a respec, the answer seems to be that Murder applies twice on crits. On regular white attacks one does baseDamage*1.02 damage; on crits, one does baseDamage*1.02*2*1.02 damage, which is why it's showing up as 204% of base damage.

Also, apparently "critters" count as "beasts".

This is peculiar because you can see from my earlier posts in this same thread that I tested on the exact same mob types before 2.2.2 and had white crits of exactly 200%. I have not respecced in the interim.

grover · 10/07/07, 4:52 AM

Crusade is doing 200% on auto attacks as well in 2.2.2
Whatever they did to change the meta gem has messed with these talents as well. Testing in 2.2.3 shows crusade is back to 206% like it was before the meta gem was changed.

Ele' · 10/08/07, 8:16 AM

I just wanted to point out that Drysc's post has been edited to provide the stats of the soon-to-be caster metagem.

Yes, we do plan to make a meta gem that fills that gap. 12% spell crit, 3% crit damage.

I'll assume that he mean 12 spell crit rating. Still, if this meta make it live it will make me a happy warlock

. *Praying for smart requirements*

Trazhenko · 10/08/07, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

I investigated this a bit myself, and after 15 minutes of stabbing rats and a respec, the answer seems to be that Murder applies twice on crits. On regular white attacks one does baseDamage*1.02 damage; on crits, one does baseDamage*1.02*2*1.02 damage, which is why it's showing up as 204% of base damage.

Also, apparently "critters" count as "beasts".

Are you sure it's base*1.02*2*1.02? That would yield ~208% base damage.

I was messing around hitting beasts and demons the other day (5% troll racial for beasts). I was seeing white crits with/without RED vs demons were 206%/200%, but vs beasts I was seeing ~221%/~215%.

This seems to indicate the slaying is more akin to base*1.05*(2+.05), and the RED is tacked on after for another 1.03 multiplier.

1.05*2.05=2.1525
1.05*2.05*1.03=2.217075

Those match my testing pretty well. I admit I didn't collect a lot of data. I just stabbed with a [Dirk] a few times and took the biggest hit and biggest crit. I figured if I saw 158 and 160 noncrits, 160 was the biggest I would see.

• Aldriana · 10/08/07, 2:51 PM

It's Base*1.02*2*1.02, which is 2.04 times a noncrit which does Base*1.02. It's 208% of what you *would* do without Murder on a noncrit, but it's 204% of what you actually do, with murder, on a non-crit.