[Warlock] Trinket Help - Page 2

Pidge · 08/27/07, 4:31 PM

In reference to the original post, does anyone have basic theorycraft numbers for trinkets like Icon, Mag's eye, Ashtongue Talisman? I don't really like the shadowpriest.com list because it's just a simulation of chaincasting against a single target. Different fights have different approaches and I'd like to know the basic damage output of those trinkets.

Bahkauv · 08/27/07, 4:40 PM

I don´t think there is something like a "basic damage output". You have to model it for a specific situation, which is what shadowpriest.com does. Chaincasting should be close to the max damage output a trinket has to offer.

Silverstorm · 08/27/07, 6:54 PM

Originally Posted by Pidge

In reference to the original post, does anyone have basic theorycraft numbers for trinkets like Icon, Mag's eye, Ashtongue Talisman? I don't really like the shadowpriest.com list because it's just a simulation of chaincasting against a single target. Different fights have different approaches and I'd like to know the basic damage output of those trinkets.

Well...my understanding is that theorycrafting = chaincasting simulation. Unless your theorycrafting model can take into account specific windows of time where you can't cast or have to move or something like that, you won't find any theorycrafting.

What you want is empirical data from those here who have already used the trinkets in a variety of situations. You even mention the RoS fight in your previous post...so you obviously have the experience. Think about the fights and how you would use the trinkets.

For example, activated trinkets (Icon, etc) you want to use when you have 15-20 seconds to maximize its output. Crusade, you want continuous casting. Mag's Eye you should consider only the +54 dmg base...hit capping practically eliminates the proc. Ashtongue modifies based on Corruption ticks, so what's your uptime on Corruption?

Sardaukar · 08/27/07, 8:19 PM

Originally Posted by Bahkauv

Without doing the math, I assume that it will take a very long time for the Crusade trinket to beat any other reasonable trinket if you use this procedure. A very long time.

Depends. If your just standing around waiting for aggro anyways, then I dont see why it would hurt to spend the first 5 or 6 seconds building up some charges.

Pidge · 08/27/07, 9:02 PM

Well, for AToS I was looking for the basic uptime given corruption up 100% of the time. The number I found 31%, but I wasn't sure I accounted for buff overlap properly and was looking for some verification.

Fafhrd · 08/28/07, 8:03 AM

Originally Posted by Pidge

Well, for AToS I was looking for the basic uptime given corruption up 100% of the time. The number I found 31%, but I wasn't sure I accounted for buff overlap properly and was looking for some verification.

Yeah about 31% if you manage a perfect Corruption rotation (buff overlap accounted for, otherwise it would be 33%). Since you also cast other stuff a perfect rotation won't be possible. Simulation says about 28% with excellent cast timing.

However, as soon as you have more than one target, these number doubles, making AToS the best trinket of all, easily. (Maulgar, Hydross, Karathress, Vashj, Shade of Akama, Illidari Council)

I have all "affliction" trinkets except Skull, here's my advise for what to use (assuming hitcapped), most useful trinket first:

- Maulgar: Ashtongue, Crusade (multiple targets, casting all the time)
- Gruul: Icon, Eye
- Magtheridon: Crusade, Icon (if not on cube duty)
- Hydross: Crusade, Ashtongue (be fast with banishes, multi targets)
- Lurker: Ashtongue, Icon (multi targets sometimes)
- Leotheras: Icon, Eye (have to be careful with dots)
- Morogrim: Crusade, Icon (pop Icon when aoe:ing, pray you dont get Tomb)
- Karathress: Ashtongue, Crusade (multiple targets, yay)
- Vashj: Ashtongue, Crusade (noone beats affliction locks in phase 2)
- Al'ar: Crusade, Icon
- Solarian: Crusade, Icon
- VR: Crusade, Icon
- Kael'thas: Ashtongue, Icon (multiple targets in phase 2-5)
- Rage: Crusade, PVP-trinket (to get out of Ice Bolt)
- Anetheron: Icon, Ashtongue (multiple targets most of fight)
- Kaz'rogal: Crusade, Icon
- Azgalor: Ashtongue, Icon (multiple targets if you're in a good position)
- Archimonde: Icon, PVP-trinket
- Naj'entus: Icon, Eye
- Supremus: Crusade, Icon
- Shade of Akama: Ashtongue, Crusade
- Teron: Crusade, Icon
- Gurtogg: Crusade, Icon (pop Icon when you get Fel Rage

)
- RoS: Icon, Crusade (pop Icon at phase 3, about 60%)
- Shahraz: Icon, Eye (you have less hit% cuz of shadow gear)
- Illidari Council: Ashtongue, Crusade (multiple targets)
- Illidan: Crusade, Icon (save icon for bursting demons/parasites/Illidan in cage)

If you get Skull, it's always going to be used of course. If you're destro-lock, Quagmirran's Eye is getting buffed a lot in 2.2, and will probably be best trinket for some fights.

rochan · 08/28/07, 11:02 AM

Btw on Najentus you can refresh spells like CoW/CoR on him when he's bubbled to keep up the stack.

On the "Non Crusade" bosses. I usually just keep it on anyways because I'd rather lose 3 dps on one fight than use the wrong trinket for the whole clear if I forget to change them (which happens often :P).

Chimera · 08/28/07, 11:17 AM

as an affliction warlock I use the Ashtongue trinket and Neltharion's tear (gg bwl loot)

I plan to replace the tear with icon when I get hit caped from other gear, or replace it with skull of gul'dan if I get that first.

zang1983 · 08/28/07, 11:58 AM

To me it looks like a lot of the best trinkets are more affliction-ish, than destro. I'm currently shadow destro (curse and shadowbolt spam only) and have Icon, Neltharions Tear and Quagmirrans Eye. Using Icon atm, and Nel Tear still, cause I'm not yet hitcapped, but once I can get 16% without tear I might switch that for my banked Quags eye, expecially since its getting buffed soon.

Any other trinkets out there that would be good for shadow destro? Crusade looks a little so-so to me atm tbh. Lots of fights where that stack is gonna tick out when you're destro, right?

rochan · 08/28/07, 12:21 PM

Perhaps you can read the entire thread.

Most Destro are using Crusade.

Antoine · 08/28/07, 1:18 PM

Actually, you were the only one that said it's better across the board. Most destro people are saying they use it for some fights and on other fights it's simply better to replace it with something else.

Saethar · 08/28/07, 3:09 PM

Currently, the only trinkets I have are Eye of Quagmirran and Icon of the Silver Crescent, having dropped Scryer's Bloodgem since I can cap hit without it.

Unless I'm missing something, the Crusade trinket is the best choice on any fight where you can keep it fully stacked for over 50% of the fight (although I'm ignoring the Haste proc from the Eye in this case, since I'm a DOT lock). I rarely, if ever, go without casting anything for 10, or even 5, seconds. Keeping it fully stacked once you start DPS seems fairly easy to me, at least for all the bosses my guild currently has access to (Kael'thas and lower).

rochan · 08/28/07, 6:07 PM

I only use it all the time because I don't have the Quagmirran or Magtheridon trinket :P

I'd probably start using Quag's eye next patch though if I had it, due to the haste buff.

sithaden · 09/26/07, 12:11 AM

Bumping and:

I am speccd affliction for our guild...we have dropped Illidan and all that good stuff, so I have access to Skull of Gul'dan. I currently use Neltharion's Tear and Crusade Card as my two trinkets. So, what is the best trinket setup for affliction? Is it Crusade Card and Skull of Gul'dan? Just curious to see if I should hold out on side upgrades for the skull.

Kretschmer · 09/26/07, 11:38 AM

As an affliction lock, would I be well-served picking up Quagmirran's Eye? The +37 damage is rather nice, but I'm curious about the haste rating. Does haste decrease the global cooldown of spells, making this a good trinket for immolate? Or would it be preferable to cast UA -> shadowbolts during the duration? From what I understand haste is like spell damage, and your casting speed is dependent on your haste rating at the beginning of the cast.