My guild refuses to let the shamans drop WF and opt for GOA their argument is that the 2 rogues in the group would expend there poisons and gimp their DPS if we used WF and that everyone benefits from GOA. I have looked at the top dps raid stats on WWS and everyone of them was using WF and the rogues looked like they were in a separate group in most cases with Leader of the pack going or a spec that would benefit just as much from WF. I just wanted to hear your guys thoughts on the merits of WF over GOA and I’m hoping to get some stats to back up my argument. Our highest dpsing rogue is currently mutilate build and I understand that his poisons are a large amount of his dps but I know what WF does for my dps and would like to persuade them in my favor.

Also Im sitting at 212 to hit 26.3 crit and 1600 unbuffed atack power using tier 1 BS hammer and Gladiators Shiv could you guys comment on the stats or point me to a guide forum that looks at fury gear and abilty stats to shoot for.
thanks

I dont know if this warants its own thread but,

With a warrior in the group there is no question he should be dropping WF. It is also the best for any spec of rogue even a mutilate rogue is better off with WF Mh and deadly Oh than any other combo.

The only time you could ever justify dropping GoA is with a group of mostly ferals and hunters and only 1, maybe 2 actual melee dpser

Answer:

If there is a Warrior, and he's doing competitive damage or tanking, you drop Windfury Totem. Windfury will increase a warrior's damage output by more than 20% because of the way more rage generates more swings on a warrior.

Personal Comment:

Isn't this the third windfury thread this week or something?

This topic's been done to death recently. These two topics here and here provide math and theory to prove that Windfury is substantially better than Grace of Air for a melee dps group in raids. Quickly now! Before Malan or Nite_Moogle get a hold of this thread.

I looked, just to see. Three pages back and I found 3 threads, and Page Three's last listed post was yesterday.

We just had a thread about this yesterday, for Christ's sake....and I'm not sure THAT thread needed it's own thread.

Not to mention the 4-5 threads that have derailed to this topic in the last ohh...2-3 days?

Here's something moderately interesting to consider: why are all of these threads popping up now? It's not like the Alliance haven't had Shaman for raids for at least a month now, more like two+ for quite a few guilds--what just recently changed to prompt the posting of "is GoA or WF better?" threads en-masse?

A lot of exposure of this forum recently on the WoW boards.

Maybe soon, we'll start getting which BS weapon to pick? Mace, Sword or Axe?

Dagger, obviously. Unless it's a warrior, then it's the Stave o'Death.

That always kinda bugged me to be honest; why can't blacksmiths (or engineers) make high-end daggers? I admit, the current blacksmithing setup of having upgradeable one-hand-Xs and two-hand-Xs wouldn't work with daggers but that's no real reason for them to not exist...

While I'm on the subject, why can't ANYONE make good staves? Or Shields (can anyone make shields?)?

Maybe you should inform your guildmates that poisons no longer have charges.

Windfury is better when you have warriors and rogues in the group. GoA becomes better at some point beginning after the number of ferals, enh shamans and hunters in your group exceeds 2x+y+1.5z where x is the number of warriors in your group, y is the number of rogues and z is the number of ret paladins

now that that's been said, NO NEW WF THREADS FOR A WHILE THANKS