Prism of Inner Calm - Page 2

Cromfel · 06/21/07, 9:07 AM

Originally Posted by Malan

Just checked my fury warrior's output on Void Reaver as well, he would have reduced threat by 37,350 on that fight, for a reduction of ~10%. Looks like Blizz pretty closely modeled this to hit a 10% reduction overall, as long as your crit rate is high.

Yes it seems like it. Shamans and DW Warriors in their mind. Too bad they couldnt find solution what would have worked as well for Retribution Paladins also. Thats only bad thing I can say about the trinket at the moment. Not like we are that common sight, but still having the same problems. Very viable option for threat capped DW classes after the fix.

Trazhenko · 06/21/07, 11:37 AM

Does that 10% estimate account for the impact (if any) that other threat reducing effects may have on the trinket?

For example, having salv makes feint remove 30% less threat than when you don't have salv (essentially preserving the value of feint vs. damage dealt).

Igniter · 06/21/07, 11:49 AM

I'll do some harder testing later with salv/spirit weapons to see exact numbers.

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Taja · 06/22/07, 4:30 AM

Originally Posted by Blooodshot

Hang on a second.
Apart from casters, Subtlety was and still is worthless, as a matter of fact I have never ever seen any non-caster with this enchant.

Never in this game has threat reduction been more important than doing DPS, Subtlety was just used because it didn't compromise DPS.

With this trinket, no matter what class you are, you are expected to give up a sizeable chunk of damage output, for some threat reduction. It's therefore, for all intents and purposes, useless.

I agree with your conclusion but not that subtlety. Pre-tbc warrior/rogues/hunters only had 3 (!) agi to enchant on cloak. As a fury warrior back then taking 2% less threat beat the hell out of 3 agi.

Pyria · 06/22/07, 7:47 AM

The caster component of the trinket has been buffed as well, it shows on Thott as a 1k threat reduction per spell crit. Not sure how useful that is since it seems rendered redundant by skills like Invis/Soul Shatter or useless by the shadow priest's indifference to crits. Might be nice for AoEing?

Bloodtear · 06/22/07, 7:56 AM

Originally Posted by Pyria

The caster component of the trinket has been buffed as well, it shows on Thott as a 1k threat reduction per spell crit. Not sure how useful that is since it seems rendered redundant by skills like Invis/Soul Shatter or useless by the shadow priest's indifference to crits. Might be nice for AoEing?

You forget elemental shamans. High spell crit rate (near 40% potted and raid buffed) and no passive threat reduction make him one of the best candidates as well.

Graul · 06/22/07, 8:14 AM

Originally Posted by Malan

This was my line of thinking. I have had occasions on Gruul where I've had to stop attacking and wait for tank threat to get a good lead again. During that time my DPS trinkets aren't helping me, and improving/upgrading a DPS trinket that I have is only going to make it worse. Swapping in something providing a marginal threat reduction at that point at least allows me to continue damage output to some degree.

Slightly off topic, but this was the same line of reasoning to put the Thunderfury in your offhand. Once your gear is so good that you are having extreme aggro issues, death or standing around doing nothing for a while were the only other options. I never understood why some people could not understand this.

And yes, this trinket in it's current form is very lacking. It would be very useful if they gave it something like a 44 crit rating and slightly upped the threat reduction per crit. Or if you prefer, no crit rating and a 200% increase in threat reduction per crit. It's simply not worth using in it's current form. You may as well just unequip one of your regular trinkets...similar effect.

Zurgat · 06/22/07, 9:02 AM

For classes that on occassion have to slow down, to stay below the Maintank's threat, this trinket is very useful.

http://www.thottbot.net/i30621
According to thott it looks like a straight up -100 threat.
Wowhead shows -150.

Don't know which one to believe really. But it'd far from useless.

Cromfel · 07/06/07, 8:03 PM

Edit: Removed due bug in test.

PoiC didnt aply when no weapon equiped

Myul · 07/06/07, 8:47 PM

Can you do the test again without anything else than white attacks?

Amorpheus · 07/07/07, 7:56 AM

Because the prism is supposed to reduce threat by a fixed amount I think it should be tested with a realistic setup. Results will be very skewed otherwise, perhaps intentionally, but it might be that it's simply not applying when unarmed.

Cromfel · 07/07/07, 9:23 AM

Originally Posted by Amorpheus

Because the prism is supposed to reduce threat by a fixed amount I think it should be tested with a realistic setup. Results will be very skewed otherwise, perhaps intentionally, but it might be that it's simply not applying when unarmed.

I just did another set of testing and this is the case. It did not aply when critting unarmed. Now when using lowbie sword, trinket seems to be working fine.

Does unarmed aply to fist weapons? As it may cause problem.

Zagi · 07/23/07, 3:57 PM

I know WoWhead is not necessarily the most reliable source, but I found this:

This trinket got really stealth buffed.
It's 150 threat reduction on a physical crit and 1000 reduction on a spell crit. What that means for aggro capped guys like Shaman or Ret Pallys, this would really help them not pull aggro from the tank.
The Enhance shaman could use rank 1 Earth shock to minimize mana usage but maximize threat reduction.

One note is these numbers are affected by Salvation, with salv and a spell crit, it is -700 threat.

That means that rogues will see 106.5 threat reduction on a physical crit with no other modifiers.

Now, playing an elemental shaman this gets really interesting, because getting 630 threat reduction every crit (1000 - 300 (BoS) - 70 (talent) would help tons on my ''aggro problem''. (Meaning I really can go from actually paying attention to just carelessly mash the button.)

At the moment, due to the lack of [The Lightning Capacitor] drops, I am using [Icon of the Silver Crescent] & [Quagmirran's Eye], would these +damage actually be worth sacrificing for it? (Talking at the least 41dmg.)

(I applogize if this thread is abondoned, in that case I would appriciate a link to a newer post.)

Morrigan · 07/23/07, 5:28 PM

Originally Posted by Zurgat

Thottbot World of Warcraft: Prism of Inner Calm
According to thott it looks like a straight up -100 threat.
Wowhead shows -150.

Don't know which one to believe really. But it'd far from useless.

It's 150 on both.
The 100 you saw on Thottbot is just the proc chance, you have to follow the link on the threat reduction effect to see the correct value:
http://www.thottbot.net/s38329

Malan · 07/23/07, 6:25 PM

You just quoted/replied to a post that is over a month old.

Anyways, to Zagi - its a pretty decent threat reduction but it depends a lot on your raid buffed crit rate. You'll probably want to have a 40% or higher to really make good use of it.