[Warlock] Destro raiding and minimum stats - Page 9

Wednesday · 02/27/08, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Evilshady

I'd like to say that 0/21/40 has done more dps then affliction has for me in the past, and this is attainable with a mixture of crafted, heroic badge, Karazhan, and Zul'Aman gear. The only item I am wearing from any P25 is a cloak from Maulgar as this cloak is more dps then the prince cloak when you are already hit-capped. Here is a WWS report of our last Gruul raid, where I actually pulled aggro off the MT during Gruul at about 70% (with salvation).

Yes, I do realize I should have been watching Omen, rather then waiting for 50% to soulshatter.

Anyhow, here is the report and you can armory my warlock as I logged it out in raid boss gear. What the armory doesn't tell you is that I also have 2.38 sec shadowbolts.

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Maybe you should CoR instead of CoD if you're having threat problems.

Evilshady · 02/27/08, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Wednesday

Maybe you should CoR instead of CoD if you're having threat problems.

Indeed, that would be a small threat per second decrease. (11000/60 secs= 183 tps-54tps(salvation)=129 tps) The threat issue on that fight wasn't really my main point with the post, the main point was that you do not need to be in BT in order to outscale affliction dps.

Kalle · 02/27/08, 5:19 AM

Originally Posted by RedAces

average Damage per SB (=avCast)

avCast = nonCrit * (83+Crit+5+Hit)/100;

I think it has been proven, that WoW uses a two-roll system. But for a one-roll system the formula seems to be correct, at least if you wanted to include ruin.

RedAces · 02/27/08, 7:22 AM

hey,

Originally Posted by Kalle

I think it has been proven, that WoW uses a two-roll system. But for a one-roll system the formula seems to be correct, at least if you wanted to include ruin.

so for a two-roll-system it would be

avCast = nonCrit*(83+Hit)/100 * (Crit+5)/100;

Thinks like ruin, Devastation are implemented ... actually the formula is far more complex due to my programming style, so there's a parameter named CritMod: (if you have ruin, critmod would be 1, w/o 0.5 ... with ruin and the meta gem, it would be 1.09)

avCast = nonCrit*(83+Hit)/100 * (100+CritMod * (Crit+5))/100;

@Evilshady: my experience is, if you have an encounter that could last 6 or 7 minutes, it is highly recommend to soulshatter at 75 80%. Because now you may soul shatter a second time at 20 or 10% and keep nuking during the execute phase.

Bye, RedAces.

Magoomba · 07/12/08, 1:39 PM

My lock alt is a fire destro build, 0/21/40. Really impressed with the dps, but I find I never use my lovely 21 point Demo talent, Demonic Sacrifice - mainly because the group/raid wants my imp.

In 25mans, of which I have little experience on this toon yet, I foresee myself being parked in the MT group and being the Blood Pact bitch. So I now ask myself, what is the point of those extra points in the Demonology tree? I'm toying with the idea of this weird-looking 7/14/40 build: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

In it I have given up some mid-table Demo talents I won't use for Instant Corruption (some use in mobile fights) and 2/2 Improved Life Tap. I reckon I cast Life Tap every 5 or 6 casts in long boss fights, and not having to do one in six of those means an extra Incinerate every 30-40 casts. That seems like a decent dps boost for 2 points.

This is starting to look like a "what do you think of my build?" post. I guess it is, but it's more about the broader question "is Demonic Sacrifice a core destro talent?". Well?

Hidden · 07/12/08, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by Magoomba

My lock alt is a fire destro build, 0/21/40. Really impressed with the dps, but I find I never use my lovely 21 point Demo talent, Demonic Sacrifice - mainly because the group/raid wants my imp.

In 25mans, of which I have little experience on this toon yet, I foresee myself being parked in the MT group and being the Blood Pact bitch. So I now ask myself, what is the point of those extra points in the Demonology tree? I'm toying with the idea of this weird-looking 7/14/40 build: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

In it I have given up some mid-table Demo talents I won't use for Instant Corruption (some use in mobile fights) and 2/2 Improved Life Tap. I reckon I cast Life Tap every 5 or 6 casts in long boss fights, and not having to do one in six of those means an extra Incinerate every 30-40 casts. That seems like a decent dps boost for 2 points.

This is starting to look like a "what do you think of my build?" post. I guess it is, but it's more about the broader question "is Demonic Sacrifice a core destro talent?". Well?

In your position I'd either respec Affliction as it is better than Desutrction in nearly every aspect when you need to have an Imp out or just tell the raidleader to stop putting you into the tank group.

Iluminati · 07/12/08, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by Magoomba

My lock alt is a fire destro build, 0/21/40. Really impressed with the dps, but I find I never use my lovely 21 point Demo talent, Demonic Sacrifice - mainly because the group/raid wants my imp.

In 25mans, of which I have little experience on this toon yet, I foresee myself being parked in the MT group and being the Blood Pact bitch. So I now ask myself, what is the point of those extra points in the Demonology tree? I'm toying with the idea of this weird-looking 7/14/40 build: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

In it I have given up some mid-table Demo talents I won't use for Instant Corruption (some use in mobile fights) and 2/2 Improved Life Tap. I reckon I cast Life Tap every 5 or 6 casts in long boss fights, and not having to do one in six of those means an extra Incinerate every 30-40 casts. That seems like a decent dps boost for 2 points.

This is starting to look like a "what do you think of my build?" post. I guess it is, but it's more about the broader question "is Demonic Sacrifice a core destro talent?". Well?

As the above poster said, if they're just going to stick you in the tank group every single time anyway, you may be better of switching to affliction. However, either way your tanks really should not need bloodpact. It's really a bit superfluous, and while it is 800~ hp (after full buffs), your tanks should be able to get to an acceptable level of hp (with the other raid buffs fort/kings/commanding/flasks/etc) WITHOUT bloodpact. Even for guilds that use affliction locks on brutallus, it's mainly for the shadow embrace debuff, and they are put in a shadow priest group for mana.

Your situation may be a bit different (undergeared tanks perhaps), but it's something you should consider bringing up.

Magoomba · 07/12/08, 11:27 PM

Thanks guys, my logic took me only part way to the answer - I could see I needed to respec, but hadn't taken it to its logical conclusion.
Now, if I can persuade the tanks they don't need the imp, maybe I can persuade them they DO need my druid's Tree of Life aura....