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Old 06/13/07, 7:14 PM   #26
Crepe
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Gnome Warlock
 
Earthen Ring
Once you pass "one-shot" range for the various RSTS abilities (graves, tombs, earthquakes, etc.), there is no additional benefit gained from stacking stamina. If you pull agro on a boss, you die. If your healers don't heal you after a RSTS ability, you die. If an add isn't controlled and you hit it with a curse, you pull agro and die. You won't be able to stack enough stamina while wearing cloth to get through these situations. Hell, tanks don't get through similar sorts of situations without having healers on the ball, ready to heal them when the damage is incoming. Leave that problem to your healers and focus on what you do best: crowd control, debuffs, and damage. Much beyond 10k raid buffed, you're wasting item budget that can be spent on damage increasing stats.

However, I wouldn't knock VH gloves and hat for non-boss encounters or boss encounters where you're spending a significant amount of time beating on sub-73 adds. Since they have zero spell hit, you can gem them for pure damage and swap them in for your spellstrike and HoFT. This way you're busting out more crit and damage and not wasting a bunch of stats on hit that's not needed (for the specific encounter).

Still, I'd pass to mages and hunters that need upgrades from blues first.

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Old 06/14/07, 12:54 AM   #27
mydoom
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Originally Posted by Calgar View Post
Is completely correct. By and large, T4 is not necessary for warlocks.

My alt rolls with 2 piece spellstrike and 3/3 frozen shadow weave. He rocks 1045 shadow damage with just fel-armor (43/0/18 spec) and he doesn't have a single raid epic.

Granted, i have like 6800 health or something completely unbuffed, but imp, fort, mark and kings get me close to 9k, which is more then enough.

Oh, and if you are too cheap to pay for spellstrike, then you have no need to worry about serious raiding....it's not for the cheap/lazy. Either work for the best.....or don't, and be an average warlock.
Not everyone can play 10 hours a day. If I spend my gold on Spellstrike it means I will have to use crappy gems and enchants. the net gain in stats will probably end up less. the only advantage spellstrike has over tier 4 is slightly more damage and some spellhit. Not worth spending a month's supply of gold for such a small upgrade.

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Old 06/14/07, 3:05 AM   #28
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I recommend getting spellstrike hood aswell, it is just clearly superior to t4, and on par with t5.
Honestly, I mindlessly put "slacker" sign on every mage\lock with t4 helm.
And I don't get how do you count the mats as the "month" supply of gold, 10x70 +5x90 +200 = 1350g if you buy all mats on AH, and you can get around 70-100g/hr just by simple killing any lvl 67+ mobs.

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Old 06/14/07, 3:24 AM   #29
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Originally Posted by GokieKS View Post
(( 10% is what the Wowhead description for Shadowflame/Flameshadow (two of the most unimaginatively named buffs ever, by the way) used to say is the proc rate, and from my personal experience, it seems "about right". ))

And since the +fire and +shadow are distinct buffs, you can have both on you, which is kind of annoying in that you're wasting a proc.
I've been trying for figure out what you mean by "wasting a proc" for a few hours no and still have no clue. So, what do you mean? :o

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Old 06/14/07, 3:41 AM   #30
Veneda
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Originally Posted by Voley View Post
And I don't get how do you count the mats as the "month" supply of gold, 10x70 +5x90 +200 = 1350g if you buy all mats on AH, and you can get around 70-100g/hr just by simple killing any lvl 67+ mobs.
It's even better now, with all the daily quests available. "Simon Says" in Orgi'la is worth approx. 12g, so is the catching netherays and bombing. Money nowaydays is so easy to get it's silly.

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Old 06/14/07, 6:32 AM   #31
clavarnway
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Sen'jin
Originally Posted by Roywyn View Post
I've been trying for figure out what you mean by "wasting a proc" for a few hours no and still have no clue. So, what do you mean? :o
I don't know if it works this way but this is what he means.

Items have hidden cooldowns so say t4 proc is 10% but let's say it can't proc more than once every 30 seconds. So if that's true, if you proc the fire one on Immolate, you blew your shot at getting a shadow proc in this 30 sec window. but I dont know if it has a hidden cooldown.


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Old 06/14/07, 6:54 AM   #32
Farstrider
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Originally Posted by constantius View Post
And as far as "it's expensive" -- 5 Primal Mights (80g each), 10 Spellcloth (40g each), crafting fee (75-125g) : 925g. Is a piece of T4 worth 925g? I'd say so.
Wow. I wish I was on your server. Sorry but it doesn't really help saying "well all these items are super cheap on my server" - all of those trade for double that cost on my server including the crafting fee of 150-300g. So by all means say "well all the items are easily grindable/acquirable with help from guildies", but "they're cheap" is pretty subjective.

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Old 06/14/07, 9:13 AM   #33
Noximus
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by clavarnway View Post
I don't know if it works this way but this is what he means.

Items have hidden cooldowns so say t4 proc is 10% but let's say it can't proc more than once every 30 seconds. So if that's true, if you proc the fire one on Immolate, you blew your shot at getting a shadow proc in this 30 sec window. but I dont know if it has a hidden cooldown.
It does not have a hidden cooldown. I double proc alot. That's including double proc of Flameshadow + Shadowflame and Flameshadow + Flameshadow (refresh) or Shadowflame + Shadowflame (refresh).

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Old 06/14/07, 10:13 AM   #34
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Originally Posted by Noximus View Post
It does not have a hidden cooldown. I double proc alot. That's including double proc of Flameshadow + Shadowflame and Flameshadow + Flameshadow (refresh) or Shadowflame + Shadowflame (refresh).
I need to dig up and update my post about procs with cooldowns I think :o
Thanks for clearing it up!

Most "Equip: Chance on ..." procs on items have a hidden cooldown.
Most (all so far) procs that are item set bonuses don't have a cooldown and can proc back to back, and refresh themselves, like this 2/5 T4 proc.
Most (all I know of) weapon procs and enchants that are "Chance on hit ..." don't have an internal cooldown either, like Thunderfury, Mongoose, etc.

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Old 06/15/07, 9:20 AM   #35
 GokieKS
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Originally Posted by Roywyn View Post
I've been trying for figure out what you mean by "wasting a proc" for a few hours no and still have no clue. So, what do you mean? :o
What I mean is, because you can only be casting one type of spell at once, having both the +shadow buff and the +fire buff at the same time is not any better than only having one of them - one will be wasted no matter what spell you're casting.

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