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Old 06/13/07, 12:09 PM   #1
NicotineJones
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[Shaman] Elemental Shaman DPS Spreadsheet?

Does one exist at present? Search turned up nothing, but I might just be an idiot.

Trying to find something to pass on to a guildie.

Thanks.

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Old 06/13/07, 12:11 PM   #2
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http://www.benmillsdesigns.com/~bop/

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Old 06/16/07, 9:36 PM   #3
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There's a few things around atm.

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Old 06/16/07, 11:28 PM   #4
Benjaimn
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Bop's calculator is very good and hes put a lot of time into developing it. I worked on a elemental shaman dps calculator more to compare different gear / talent set ups here: http://iam.colum.edu/students/ben.mi...s/Default.aspx As you can see mine still needs a lot of work.

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Old 06/18/07, 2:49 PM   #5
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Is there a place to look to see the elemental shaman damage cycle? This link seemed to be the best i could find, would it be somewhere in the 2.1 Elemental Focus change thread?

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Old 06/18/07, 2:53 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Miraanda View Post
Is there a place to look to see the elemental shaman damage cycle? This link seemed to be the best i could find, would it be somewhere in the 2.1 Elemental Focus change thread?
There really isn't one-- just spam lightning bolt over and over. At a 1.5 cast time, anything else you do is a global cooldown anyway and takes just as long, and has a lower coefficient. Dropping totems is really the only interruption you should have.

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Old 06/18/07, 2:54 PM   #7
Miraanda
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So, CL shouldnt be involved at all, and neither should shocks? I was talking to another shaman in my guild who argues that Flameshock would be a good way to go with all the scorch debuffs up. Is that incorrect?

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Old 06/18/07, 3:08 PM   #8
VinnieJones
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Flame shock triggers the gcd meaning your sitting on your hands for 1.5s, plus requires that you not be at max cl range. Depending on the fight length and ability to cl (adds, shackles and such) you can go 12/12/12/CL/12/12/12/Cl if you want. It's a bit of a damage boost but an extra 250 mana or so every fourth cast.

*edit* Also, took a look. An extra few crit% you could swap in for longer fights might do some some good longevity wise, and you are 2% over the hit cap on lvl 73 bosses if you have tow down. With your talents you have a natural +12% to crit and cap is 16% iirc. So if you can you could probably swap out some gear for different pieces if you wanted to min/max a bit more*

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Old 06/18/07, 3:10 PM   #9
Miraanda
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12 = Lightning Bolt, correct? So about every 4th cast should be a Chain lightning cast if i want to do MAXIMUM damage. Alright. with a shadow priest i should be in good shape to go ahead and do that then. Thanks for your input, i appreciate it.

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Old 06/18/07, 3:19 PM   #10
VinnieJones
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No worries, most of what I know was picked up here as well. And yes, 12 is your max rank lb. I've actually had a few situations where I've had to resort to alternation 12 and 4 when things were running low and between that and pots have been able to arrest or reverse being near oom.

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Old 06/18/07, 3:59 PM   #11
Phro
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Depending on the fight full cycling CL isn't always achievable, even with a spriest. Not to mention aggro may become a problem at the beginning of the fight. Without EF, thats ~724 mana (i think right?) every 6 seconds. Thats 7240 mana in a minute...on top of 600 or so every 6 seconds from LB alone. So like 10K+ mana in one minute. My math is a little off here...but I think you can understand my point.

I would suggest waiting until you can sit comfortably at your mana and when the boss is at ~%40ish if you want to start a 3xLB/CL cycle. Personally I'll CL cycle at this 40% mark if I have at least 70% mana left. I personally find myself throwing chain-heals when I have a spriest as I see this is more beneficial to the raid, since (imo) chain heal is one of the best heals in the game and very raid saving in certain situations.

Shocking, IMO, is useless unless you're looking to get more on the DM meters in 5-10mans. Shocks in general are terribly inefficient and I wouldn't ever suggest using them in 25-man raids...except where you are supposed to (i.e. mag) and even then I use rank1.

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Old 06/18/07, 4:13 PM   #12
VinnieJones
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...or if you like padding your damage stats a bit with a lb12+ES Alpha strike when the mob is almost dead. That one works well in Khara as well as the 5man stuff.

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Old 06/18/07, 8:29 PM   #13
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Might have a play with various damage cycles to see what cycle is best.

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Old 06/18/07, 10:52 PM   #14
Binkenstein
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Quick & Nasty analysis of cast rotations. Funnily enough, from a DPM point of view, LB > all.
Adding FS & CL into the mix may increase DPS, but it also increases mana use significantly more.

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Old 06/19/07, 5:30 AM   #15
Dicho
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Honestly, the DPS vs DPM consideration relies intirely on the encounter, and your regen in raids.

Keeping in mind here that my gear is somewhat decent, I always have a shadow priest, and BoW available. I also use stopcasting to shave milliseconds off my LB casts, thus spending slightly more mana.

On the majority of fights, I find myself hard pressed to get rid of my mana. How mana efficient my spell rotation might be seems pointless when I am seemingly never in any danger of going oom.

With that in mind, I would love to find out whether just spamming LB, or CL/LB rotation, or FS/LB rotation, or FS/CL/LB rotation will most increase my dps.
- Assuming again this is in a raid situation with all the appropriate debuffs on the boss, CoE, CoS, Scorch, Misery etc, and that I have my totems and flasks/pots on.
My own rather primitive attempts at calculating this seems to indicate that using FS every 12 secs is more dmg then just spamming LB in the same cast window.


Threat is mostly a non-issue on static fights, even with Stormstrike goodness.

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