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If it doesnt have an internal CD I guess it will be ok, if it does it is most likely worse then the blue +dmg one.

So without the internal CD it would most likely be up a lot if you stack some +haste and cast faster i guess, so better than the blue +dmg one? also, have you tried to see if LO procs it?

I just had some more tests and if there IS a cooldown on that proc, then it's quite low because I had it up a lot of the time.

Very nice changes overall. Bring on 2.3!!!

I'd love to see that incorporated into the spreadsheet- and also an option for using macros to effectively "twist" so that when you cast Lightning Bolt it puts in the new totem, and when you cast Chain Lightning it switches in your +dmg totem (although of course that would nullify the effect of the haste on chain lightning, since you'd still have the full 1.5 seconds of GCD before you could cast your next LB... is having +55 dmg on the CL better than 6% haste?)

Could somebody explain that, please? I haven't seen this mentioned before.

Anyone else tried the new epic relic to test if its worth getting it?

Okay here are some interesting screenshots i took on Dr. Boom in the PTR. As it seems at the moment, something (im assuming a double LO proc) turns your next casted lightning bolt into a LO bolt. I was spamming lightning bolt for the whole time. as for the numbers, they are unbuffed at 1057 spelldamage + relic + crusade trinket + totems.

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I really really do hope that this is a simple combat log bug.


Did some more test and i think this is not a combat log bug. Looking at the damage numbers on my screen and the bolts visually it seems that indeed one cast is "lost".

Gonna figure out more ways to get conclusive evidence about this when i get time later.

I counted the casts and i got 69 casts over 138 seconds (counting the ones that got "lost" because of LO too). That averages exactly 2 seconds per bolt. Spellbook says 1.85. I must say i'm not impressed though this might be because the PTR has quite crap latency.

Interesting note is that it will scale quite nice with haste gear, since you will be able to cast more spells in those 10 sec, thus having a higher chance for triggering it again.

Would be nice to see how it is compared to 55/85 damage totem.

I didn't really get what Rebaseke is saying above me, but if it is what it sounds like, I hope someone will report it and it will get fixed before it hits the live servers.

Okay i did a lot more testing today. This issue is not a combat log bug. In some cases, your next casted bolt hits for LO proc damage. This is also not a double LO proc that eats up one of your casts because LO does not proc off itself. I did about 500 single casts on Dr Boom and not once did i see a double proc. Assuming that the chance of a double proc is 20%*20%=4% then the chances of not getting a double proc over 500 casts is 96%^500 ~ 1,36*10^-7 % ~ 0,000000136%.

The reason i know that this is not a combat lot bug is that i also tested it on mobs who have about 5.5k health. I casted two bolts and looked at what happened. On quite many occasions i got 1700+1200+1200 and mobhealth was showing about the same amount of health missing on the mob.

I also got a screenshot of a quintuple "proc" but if you look at the timestamp then you can see that 2 of those are actually supposed to be casted bolts and its just 3x1 LO procs in a row.

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I did some more tests with chain lightning, and the results were quite interesting. I think that it counts each target hit as a separate cast, so you have a chance to get 3 LO procs if you hit 3 targets, i did 28 casts and got 2x LO on three occasions. Gonna do some more tests very soon and see if i can get a triple. On the screenshot you can see that the LO proc hits the target it procced off, so in some cases it hits Dr. Boom once and bots 5 times and sometimes hits Dr. Boom twice and bots 4 times.

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Okay i did another ~300 casts and saw a double proc once more. still waiting for a triple. I'm not doing any more tests with CL atm. It seems that LO crits on CL dont proc clearcasting. and in some cases if you crit with your original CL but don't crit on LO CL you still dont get CC. It's bugged but im not sure how. Haven't tested this on LB.

I saw a post like that on the shaman forums, about a "hidden debuff" that deranks your own LB to a LO-LB.

I jumped on the PTR to recheck to see if I had overlooked it (I had noticed numerous double procs my first tests that could now be explained).

It looked like my actual casts after a LO were in fact doing LO-LB damage

I was testing on normal mobs (not dr. boom) but it was just as the server was crashing last night (lucky me) so it was unfortunately a quick test.

What we may want to do is test it by having a 2-5 second gap between LB casts, or stick a custom channel in the combat log that you set a macro to go /6 casting LB so we can see the casts a bit clearer (and then go back to blizzard and say "hey, LO is slightly broken")

Well thats what i did to confirm that LO does not proc off itself. I did ~500 casts with 4-5 second intervals and didn't see a single double proc. And i didnt see a single bugged LB cast either. It's the spamming that generates the bugs.

Confirming what Rebaseke has stated about the LO bug causing your normal LB casts to do half damage if they leave your hands at the same time as an LO procc does. Little video I did while testing against Dr.Boom on the US PTR, on at least 2-3 occasions in the video it is plainly obvious. Hopefully this gets fixed quickly.

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Thinking about how this problem is occuring.

I think the server sees a "lightning bolt" and 20% of the time goes "you proc LO".
If there's a "lightning bolt" in a certain time period after the proc, it takes half the base damage off the next lightning bolt it sees.

The problem arises when it sees multiple lightning bolts within that "LO period", adjusts the base damage, and passes them all off as actual lightning bolt casts.

This suggests that LO was never able to proc off itself, but rather the client/server interaction caused this effect.

The easy fix boils down to renaming LO bolts as distinct separate spells (along with TLC charges, but that's a different story). Would also fix the problem of LO eating CC charges as well I think.

Confirming same as above. The "debuff" is deranking normal LBs to LO status. At the same time, Chain Lightning seems to proc LO on each hit, as mentioned above - in CL-3LB rotation, my CLs did around 50% of total damage (on Live, the value is around 30%). I'm also concerned that the full spelldamage on LO was an oversight by Blizzard and will be nerfed (fixed) in the near future.

EDIT: Aye, was thinking the same, Bink. I actually had to unequip Capacitor for the testing, because it was virtually impossible to separate it from regular bolts (ok, the numbers were lower. Now try reading 10 yellow lines in a row :p)

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Blizzard changed the way spellcasting communicates with the server. The moment you push the spell your command goes to the server and it doesn't matter if the spell finished casting on client or not. Basically, all spells have a /stopcasting built in now. Though, tbh, I have noticed some issues with response time, but that may be just PTR messing with it.

Did a massive quote of what's been posted so far, and put it into the main TC thread.

If you guys want to collaborate on something, and either post or PM it to me, I'll put it in there.

Going to link that post through to the PTR bug board.

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And one thing i'd like people not to forget is that if LO cannot proc off itself then it's again a dps nerf for elemental shamans which we did not need. Let's try to get that message over to the blizzard guys.

One thing i'd like to add about CL proccing multiple LO-s is that i did some statistics and the procrate of a single proc seems to be quite near to 20%, at least it was for me on ~350 casts. (The numbers i have marked down were as following: 355 casts, 73 Single LO, 3 Double LO, 9 Triple LO)

Anyonne have an insight how double procs are possible on CL and not LB, but the procrate is the same?

So I am curious, how anyone worked out the comparison's between damage, crit and haste yet?

ex. 1 haste rating= 1.5 dam = 2 crit

The example is just random numbers, but I am curious if anyone has figured the math out? even just for crit/dam?

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Was same before the patch. I know this, just like I know it could double procs, no proof :S


Yeah, unfortunately, it seems like it's a bit like the downranking thing on Healing Way. Something got full bonus where it's not supposed to.

I'd like to add that I can attest to LO procing off itself in 2.2. I havn't been on 2.3 but my chain lightning has procced off itself many times. Happened last night.

Sorry no screens, but just another voice.