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Now while this is somewhat welcome, most ele shamans who have had a little bit of time to work on their gear will have over 1100 damage raidbuffed. So shamans who have just finished leveling will see an increase in dps, shamans who have been to 5/10mans will keep their current dps and if you're doing BT/MH it's still a nerf.
I wish i could post on the US forums but i can't and reading some of the posts there makes me furious.

Raidbuffed a serious elemental shaman should have +80+101+23+36+~20 and if he has 2 t4 add another 20 (flask+totem+food+oil+spirit) so to get 1100 raidbuffed spelldamage you need 860 unbuffed damage which isn't that hard to get. I did a very quick gear combination and came up with 850ish spelldamage unbuffed (hit enchant on gloves, socketed for socket bonuses with dmg/dmg+crit/dmg+sta gems) including the +55 relic and no trinkets. This is all badge/honor/heroic/karazhan gear (i included the new badge chest and belt because i didn't want to use crafted items, you can get even more with crafted stuff.) Now if you add either the DMF trinket (+8x10 spelldamage) or the badge trinket (+43 damage + on use +155 damage) you will see that pretty much any elemental shaman who isn't a hardcore casual (only 5man or solo content and very little pvp/arena) can hit the 1100 mark quite easily.

As i see it the nerf is a side-effect of the resto grind-viability buff. So there wasn't a real reason behind it, it was more of an accident i guess. They tried to balance it with a new LO but they failed and now they buffed it some more but in my opinion it's still not enough. I guess ~half of us will not see a change, 30% will see a buff and the rest will see a nerf if this goes live.

By the way can anyone confirm with a screenshot that LO does have double/triple procs off lightning bolt in 2.2? I see everyone going on about "it doesn't have n-procs any more" but to be really honest, i have never noticed double procs off lightning bolt.

I wished they added nature to curse of elements already. /whine

Reba, I have not seen it double-proc on PTR. All supposed double-procs were just TLC charges, because the damage is about the same.

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Elemental shaman were told that while we'd be nerfing the damage coefficients for lightning bolt and chain lightning bolt in patch 2.3, overall they'd notice a damage increase. We know most of your tests reveal a damage decrease, however. We've been running extensive tests of our own and have identified that there is approximately a 6% nerf to elemental dps (depending on gear of course). As a result, we're going to increase lightning bolt and chain lightning bolt's coefficient so that elemental shaman gain approximately 5 to 6% of their damage back if you assume roughly 1200 spell damage.

It should break down as follows

If you have below 1100 spell damage you will see a slight buff to your dps

If you are between 1100 and 1200 spell damage you should see neither a decrease or increase to your dps

If you are over 1200 spell damage you will see a slight nerf to your dps.

This change should be hotfixed onto the PTR at some point soon, and we'll be watching the situation closely.

Has anybody managed to figure out exactly where this 5-6% is being added in? I assume it's not just somehow added to our 2.5/3.5, thought that's what it is made to sound like. What I read from the post is 2.5/3.5+.06. But that's not something I think they would do.

some spells have tweaked coef. so they're not exactly cast time divided by 3.5.

It sounds like they're still considering the extra LO damage in the overall DPS calculation so i'm going to speculate that they're adding like .3 seconds to our casting coefecient. 2.8/3.5 or something

I've had multiple overload procs on both Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning.

Here's a screenshot of Double Proc Chain Lightning:

I've seen myself get procs on Chain Lightning. However I have never seen conclusive evidence of a double proc on LB. My theory is that it can't happen and anyone thinking that was just really seeing LO proc on two consecutive casts. In the tests people were doing on the PTR they saw CL proc twice, but both were off the initial cast. So this idea of chain procs? Not sure it ever happened.

Yes, multiple overload procs do happen with lightning bolt too. Unfortunately, that's the only screenshot that I have.

I think the Chain Lightning procs are much easier to notice than the Bolt ones. My best suggestion would be to get this addon called Shaman friend. It tracks overload procs off lightning bolts and has many other features to it. When you proc overload, there's an option so you can see Lighting Overload : [Total Damage]-- just like those windfury mods. If you proc overload on itself, it says Double Overload, and so forth.

I agree with you that it is possible, however, using that mod as evidence is a tad flawed. It tracks Lightning Capacitor procs as LO procs, which leads to a few false positives.

To see if LO on LB can chain proc the only proof I'd be willing to take is go to a mob like Dr. Boom and cast on him, wait 3-4 seconds, cast again, repeat infinitum. Do it enough and you should see the triple hit or disprove it.

We're working on Kael'thas at the moment, so as of next week I guess I'll have ample opportunity to rack up double and triple chain lightning overload procs in a target-rich environment (phase 2); the WWS parses should reveal if the overloads only chain within the "original" three targets or whether they can chain onwards to new targets. It's a pity there aren't more raid fights where you can regularly zap multiple targets with CL, as it's the one scenario where the changes are an undeniable buff.

I know that CL can proc multiple LO-s thats why i asked specifically about LB and screenshots about LB proccing double LO.

I do have a screenshot of CL proccing LO twice. This was in Mt Hyjal. What happened was my original CL was on a necromancer. It chained to two Crypt Fiends. Then for the chain procs CL got the biggest hit once on a Crypt Fiend and once on a Necromancer. If i had a imageshack account or something I'd post it.

Based on testing shortly after the PTR was opened, LO cannot proc itself.

Assuming that it can because CL does is incorrect.

Unless someone re-does the testing, I think it will be safe to assume that as it is a Per-Hit proc, LB has one chance, CL has three.

It is known that CL will cause multiple procs, but if you want to argue that LB can cause multiple procs as well, get screenshots to prove it.

Heres some quick and dirty math i did about the new coefficient on the live servers.
Base damage 628-717 = 672.5 average
Damage 1673-1762 = 1717.5 average
I have concussion and t6 4set bonus so the number unmodified should be
672.5 / 1.05^2 ~ 610 average base damage
1717.5 / 1.05^2 ~ 1558 average damage
so that means from 1111+85 (im assuming the relic is added just like spelldamage) damage from gear i get an effective damage of 1558-610= 948
so the new coefficient for LB is 948/1196=0.7926
compared to 3/3.5 = 0.8571
compared to 2.5/3.5 = 0.7142

And here's a nice picture to illustrate how much damage you will be losing, in percentage, with the new coefficient!

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Seems Eyonix wasn't bullshitting us and it really does even out around 1100, and the damage loss compared to 2.2 isnt that big. You'll lose less than 1% damage compared to 2.2 even if you have insanely good gear and every proc/buff in the universe.

Now this is assuming that LO does indeed have a 20% procrate, but i'm hearing from here and there that it isn't (gonna test it later)

I guess if you want more info on LB/CL cycles then bink will have to do some additional math! xD

Ok so apparently the LO proc rate is around 20%, i think 29 procs over 105 casts is a pretty good result. I'll test the LC and other LO stuff soonish too.

The LC only has a cooldown on the first charge. When it discharges you can't get another charge for 2.5 seconds, but i got 2 charges off LO and the next LB crit which hit pretty much at the same time.

LO crits do proc clearcasting.

LO does not have a hidden cooldown, i saw 2 procs in a row quite often and 3 procs in a row too.

Sofar my chain crits have put up charges, but after a discharge it seems to have the 2.5 sec.
I've had a hard time checcking the EF on LO crits sofar due it EF being up too much.
Will try to properly parse my combat log after we finish in MH.

How is everyone his/her dps holding up sofar? It's too early to give hard conclusions but sofar my single target dps did take a slight hit.
From 1610 to 1520/1540 raid buffed standing and nuking. May just have had a bad spree sofar though, hoping to get some proper logs tonight, but sadly enough guild is being idiots so doesn't seem like I'll get enough testing done tonight.

It's pretty hard to tell since I've not actually raided since the changes. My only stuff I've done was ramparts. But tonight doing something so should be able to see more. But looking at a WWS parse Manly showed in the mage thread and doing some research was able to come up with these 2:

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One WWS from last week, one from last night. If anything last night's overall dps was a bit lower. Both Conando and Shadabu were there for all fights in both clears. Thus SS uptime should be similar. Crit rates look pretty similar. I'm guessing one week of a place they've been clearing for months didn't get him a massive upgrade or anything. Conando's dps went up signifigantly, even though his average LB dropped. The fights are pretty much the same, and while its true luck plays a part in all of them, it seems on average he performed better. At worst I don't think you can say that Conando's dps went down.

Maybe someone on EJ can get Conando to speak up here and see what he thought about the changes in how they affected his personal dps.

Edit: Your gear is pretty similar to his, maybe even better. I'm really not sure though how it will affect things. But you shouldn't be losing 5% on your dps.

I'm finding that mobs die a lot faster now, but I just finished off Terokkar on my space-shaman (I'm never going to call it a Draenei Shaman... more fun this way) @ 66, so my level may be helping a little bit.

Downtime due to mana is lower too.

Well yes of course mobs at your level are going to die a lot faster. Break even point is 1100-1200 damage. I'm guessing any shamans with pre raid gear are seeing a significant upgrade in their dps.

It should help for people in pure pvp gear too.

Thats what I'm really curious about too. I'm top dkp for casters for past few weeks, and I could bid on skull of guldan and win it, I'm just not sure how good it is vs TLC. After i get 2.3 pvp bracer's and few more spinels, Ill be sitting at close to 1200 spell damage, no totems, no buffs(just got leggings of channeled elements).
what do You guys think?