Zuathar

Ok, bug fix -1% spell crit for all. Let say is understandable, just nobody seen it up to now, bleh.

But why we can't have something good from BoJ. All items are lack on spell crit.
What to do next? I learned LW long time ago and used BOP items until 2.3 was released. And now? Where are the ele shamy crafted BOPs? The only way to go is really engineering for the cloth helm (bc the mail is just crap) and JC for the new neck, ring and the old BOP gems?

What is next in 2.4? OOM in 1 minute with 500 spell haste and 3k DPS? maybe 20% spell crit. Seems that the good stuffs remains just for those with full t6 and clearing sunwell in no time completing they imba t6 gear with more 3.

have a nice day...

 

Daidalos

This is a thread for elemental shaman spreedsheet discussion and theorycraft not QQ.

Looking at the badge loot on the ptr I did notice a cloth chest with int stam 2 sockets 50 crit rating and 62 dmg. If you are low on crit it would be quite nice.

Restoration Shaman calculations:http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...IWv3sPmcYnEJUg

 

Zuathar

Sorry for went oot, was upset to see the incoming item stats.

Yes, it is good ... cloth ftw

 

Graze

T6 was updated again, this time we got mp5 instead of hit

World of Raids

I'm a shaman, a conduit of the ancient forces of nature. A master of the elements, except fire, water or earth really... nor do I have any REAL control of nature. But I do hurl bolts of lightning!

 

everwatch

Blessed Band of Karabor based upon my personal in game experience and with Daidalos's numbers is superior to the Coils ring. Also his numbers show the Brooch as the highest (currently in game) DPS neck available. However the Curse of Looped Bones is so close, were I to see it drop I'd use it just to gain the stamina.



Early on before I had better gear and our DPS'ers were good enough to make the fights shorter I found I had to rely upon Alchemy. Leveled it up and made myself a Alchemist Stone. It's not ideal - but it helps solve mana issues if it's killing you. Combined with LW and the use of Resto Drums I was able to never go OOM providing I skipped CL alltogether. So for those who have extreme mana issues with no hope of JoW or SP, I'd consider that.



MaxDPS.com is not 100% accurate imho. The main reason they show swords and the like is just due to the site person not plugging in filters for weapon types per class. You can just skip that. However, if you're looking for a rough guideline as to what to go for it's not bad. In the end however, if you're trying to pick your best top end pieces, it will lead you astray for several slots.

http://www.skeletonjack.com/

 

everwatch

I'm sure this varies based on gear and the individual SP...

In my guild if I am given a SP, using a CL/LB spam rotation potting with MAP's (not supers) I can't seem to go OOM at all except versus MH 3rd boss with his stupid mana drains(Kazrogal? All the damn demon names sound alike to me). With a SP generally speaking, I can pop 3 Destruction Pots (that counts one of them being popped within the first 10 seconds of the pull) in a row before I have to consider wether I need to pop a MAP and drop CL for a lil bit. And even then, it's just considering whether it's needed. If the raid DPS is on the ball, often I can skip mana pots entirely with a SP (given that my SP is doing well on DPS).

http://www.skeletonjack.com/

 

Themess

I beleive the calculator may be unavailable for whatever reason. Does anyone know of a good alternative?

 

Robotic

I see the weight stats in the Elemental thread, But where can I find the AEP stats for the Shamstats31 spreadsheet I use. There are default settings on the spread sheet, I found some other stats floating around. But of course they give me different values and make my gear priorities different. Any suggestings ? My guild just started hjyal and BT before the patch and I recently spec'd elemental, so I'm a little behind where I should be.

Thank you in advance,

X

 

Lohmarn

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Kezita

I didnt read the 50 pages of the thread :B sorry if the answer of my question is there

Well first, im a PvE raid shamy
My first concern is about the Spell Rotations... i have read quite a bit and used maxdps.com and there is one thing i cant understand y the hell Chain Lighting will lower my dps rotation (without haste)

Lets say i have 1200 Spell Damage
Lbolt Average whitout spell damage = 641
Clight Average whitout spell damage = 825
Lbolt Coef = 0.79
Clight Coef = 0.71

Lbolt Average = 641 + 1200*0.79 = 1589 (in 2 secs, so 795 DPS)
Clight Average = 825 + 1200*0.71 = 1677 (in 1.5 secs, so 1118 DPS)

Whitout concidering the crits and haste those are the maths..
i CANT understand y using Cligh will actually Lower my dps using a 4/1 rotation and improve it using a 3/1 rotation, cause i think it will improve my dps always (it has more damage per second..) so.. the best rotation should b the one with the most Clight, but as i checked on maxdps.com and some ppl said here
3/1 > Lbolt Spam > 4/1
Can some 1 explain my why?!?!?
(The crits and lighting overload are the same for Lbolt and Clight, so it shouldnt matter if its added or not)
Dont care about the haste.. even whitout haste maxdps says "3/1 > Lbolt Spam > 4/1"
i want to know what part of the calcs i am missing...

I calculated and lbolt will NEVER have better dps than clight... .. so what part of the calcs i am missing cause many ppl says that lbolt spam do more dps than 3/1 at some point...
i am wrong at some point? ppl r wrong when they say clight lowers ur dps? (even with haste my calcs says clight will have a better dps than lbolt), is maxdps so wrong as i think?

2nd question based on the same stuff... it is worh to add a flame shock / earth shock in the middle of the rotation when u need to nuke? (like when the boss is taking more damage like mag)

KeZ
A Disoriented Shamy

 

Mirranda

Pretend I typed something witty.

 

brudal

This is what I see from haste as far as rotations go for CL and LB grouped with a shadow priest.

With no haste, and the rotation of 3 LBs and a CL comes out to a total of 7.5 seconds worth of casting. If you try to build spell haste and keep this rotation you end up with dead cast time while waiting for the 6 second CD on CL to end, so your not really gaining dps. Switching to a 4/1 rotation really requires 4 LBs to be less then 6 seconds + the hasted time on CL (assuming your CL isn't under 1.0 cast). I have come up with at around 11% haste, the cast time on LB is about 1.8 and the cast time on CL is about 1.35, your total timer on a 3/1 rotation would be 7.35. Doing 4 LBs, the cast time comes out to 7.2 which is a lower overall timer than the 3/1 rotation thanks to the CD on CL. From what i'v seen, it takes about 8% haste to create the situation where 4 LBs have a lower timer than 3/1. This does not mean that there is no longer a point in casting CL, just that you get to squeeze an addition LB between casts. As far as mana issues, it's up the the shadow priest, on my first brutallis kill, I didn't have to move once, and the only time i used water shield was before the fight started. I finished the fight with about 2000 mana just relying on the shadow priest. I had drums of battle the entire time and the only pots i used were destruction pots. With this rotation I seem to use slightly less mana because i am casting fewer CLs and I get a bit more use out of my 4 piece bonus because I am casting more LBs.

The other factor I have noticed is how much damage is done by LB compared to CL. For the most part, it seems to me that my CL is doing a bit more damage than my LB, so to compensate for this, I stacked more haste before starting the 4/1 rotation. My final number for the 4/1 rotation becoming a better rotation was about 11%, closer to 12%. Currently i have 13% haste with LB at 1.77 and CL at 1.33.

Another effect that changes rotation is Bloodlust and Heroism. With a small amount of passive haste and one of these effects active, a 5/1 rotation can be made. My LB cast time goes down to 1.36 and my CL goes down to 1.02. 4 LB casts at this point is 5.44 leaving a little over half a second before CL comes up. I choose to use a 5/1 rotation under the effects of BL to save a little mana (though the amount is very small).

If your are not fortunate enough to be grouped with a shadow priest, then there is not real reason to be chain casting CL, because of the huge amount of mana used.

Another effect I would like to point out is too much haste. Once LBs cast timer breaks 1.5 with drums active, you have dead time before your next CL cast. So going below that on your cast time really does not seem worth the haste put in as far as I'm concerned

The only time i really see shocks being part of a rotation is in a fight where there is a lot of spell push back, or a fight where a target takes extra fire damage or less nature damage.