Shot Rotation Illustrated - Page 25

eilirris · 08/23/08, 7:11 PM

I've recently noticed my dps seems lower than usual. I've been hitting 1000-1200+ in Hyjal/Bt, but our last couple of raids I seem to have dropped to 800-1k. The only gear change I've had is T6 gloves (was using badge gloves). After talking with another hunter in the guild, I tried using a 3:2 macro with kc in it rather than Manitos 2-part. She thought that the shots written in to the KC (2nd macro) were actually decreasing her dps. I havent noticed much difference.

On the other hand, I have been having a plethora of internet issues, so maybe latency is messing with my dps.

I feel like, with my gear, I should be pulling 1200 dps consistently. Is it just latency, or is there something else I should be doing to improve? Is it possible that Manitos is no longer helpful, and is causing more problems than not, since the clipping "fix" ?

The World of Warcraft Armory

Oh...something I forgot to ad. During a kara badge run the other night, I noticed my 3:2 is putting more auto shots out than steady shots. I dont have much haste gear; I have the SSO badge chest, and the +15% quiver, but that's it. My RA Speed is 2.00. The macro "looks" right to me; why would I throw shots out like this?

Barradin · 08/25/08, 6:03 PM

Eilirris.

At your speed (2.00) you shouldn't have any problem with either the base 3:2 macro or manitou's.

Two possibilities as to why you are getting strange ratios/lower numbers.

1. Are you looking at the kara run overall? or on individual fights? If you're looking at it overall, I can easily see you shooting more auto's that steadies because trash mobs are included. Look at individual boss fights and see what your ratios look like there (pick stand and shoot bosses too... not moroes or curator:P).

2. Your group composition: You can see HUGE variation in dps numbers based on your group. My teron gorefiend numbers in a 'perfect' group is about 1900 - 2k dps. In a crap group it is often no better than 1500.

Beyond that... it's really just play style: Are you spending too much time running? are you slow to get going in the fight? do you time your trinkets with tbw and RF? etc. etc.

Check up on your pet too... it should be doing about 20 - 25% of the total damage you deal in a fight.

thelonesaiyan · 09/05/08, 2:35 AM

Hello Everyone,

As a first time poster here, I just wanted to say Elitist Jerks kicks ass before I ask my question.

So anyways, here goes:

I have a 3.00 speed Bow [Merciless Gladiator's Crossbow of the Phoenix]

15% bonus ranged attack speed from quiver [Worg Hide Quiver]

20% bonus ranged attack speed from Serpent's Swiftness (I am a Full BM specced hunter)

Wow Armory Link:

Serra

Question 1:

Is this shot rotation (the one I've been using so far) screwing itself up (I think I seen it called "clipping itself") / the best damage output for my setup when it comes to pure burst damage output for PVP? (I don't care if it's mana efficient, I only care about PURE BURST DPS)

Shot Rotation:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/cast [target=pettarget,exists] Kill Command
/castsequence reset=3 !Auto Shot, Steady Shot, Multi-Shot, !Auto Shot, Steady Shot, !Auto Shot, Steady Shot, Arcane Shot, !Auto Shot, Steady Shot
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

Question 2:

How does Improved Aspect of the Hawk / Heroism / Rapid Fire Affect that shot weave? I can't quite figure out if these would be beneficial or a detriment to that rotation.

Question 3:

In the future, if I upgraded to a faster bow, such as [Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury], at what bow speed or faster would it be recommended to change my shot rotation, if in fact the rotation I use now is optimal?

esoxlucius · 09/07/08, 4:36 AM

He guys my first reply in this wonderfull forum.
I tried to get it all, but i found it still pretty hard to get. So that why i decided to reply.
I just respec to survival cause that is what the raid needed, but now i am much slower that i was at bm (where i had a easy 1:1 rotation which suited me best)

For a survivalist a weaponspeed of 2.5 with improved arcane shot would be perfect isnt it. You could get the next shot rotation without clipping, or am i mistaken there?

Steadyshot / Arcane Shot / Autoshot / Steadyshot / Autoshot / and repeat this one.

there might be some lagging so to be sure i might wanne get a bowspeed of like 2.52 to be sure or doesnt that matter (my internetconnection normally is pretty good)

My weaponspeed at the moment is 2.48 but if i change quiver (from 15-13 procent or something i would make it slightly slower so i can fit the arcanes in)

Am i right in this thinkingprocess or do i forget something important?

Regards Esoxlucius

Btw (should i go for 2% agility and 6 % intellect or for 2 % increased damage?)

Girthbot · 09/27/08, 2:18 AM

Originally Posted by thelonesaiyan

Question 3:

In the future, if I upgraded to a faster bow, such as [Thori'dal, the Stars' Fury], at what bow speed or faster would it be recommended to change my shot rotation, if in fact the rotation I use now is optimal?

Pretty sure the 3:2 macro will do a 1:1 when it gets low enough(under 1.9s), the only time you would want a different macro is < 1.2s auto shot speed for a 1:2 rotation.

I have a question of my own:

Does it matter where you put the Kill Command line? I see both of the following all the time and never know if there is a difference in performance.

/cast !auto shot
/cast steady shot
/cast KC

/cast !auto shot
/cast KC
/cast steady shot

Is one more correct than the other? And if you use the Wind Serpent, is there a 'correct' placement for that line as well?

Girthbot · 09/27/08, 2:31 AM

Originally Posted by Ravenfire

Your half right... I was trying to make it so anyone could read and understand what my results implied; in this case the spammer, the macroer, and the hand-weaver. IF your using the 3:2 macro then your gonna be fine for auto shot times greater then 1.2 seconds. I'd suggest you make a 1:2 macro for those rare times when your breaking the sound barrier and have an auto shot time of 1.2 or less, other then that you should be fine.

Is there a legit 1:2 macro? I had just done it manually, but I often miss a few.

esoxlucius · 10/18/08, 6:23 AM

i did put the question in the wowlk thread, but then again it didnt seem the right spot to ask the question.

Is it true that haste has effects on cooldowns too? And did you noticed a big difference in attackspeed during a figt (bloodlust and shammy totems being a raidwide buff etc) I did noticed that my speed was between 2.48 and 1,48.
really annoying since i have to change rotation all the time, and a speed below 2.5 isnt good if steady shot cooldown is 1.5 sec is it. But is the cooldown is reduced too by the haste than it doesnt matter and you can keep sticking haste on but tbh that doesnt make sense is it?

I kinda lost grip on the subject and really would love to hear some of your experience and tips.

Regards

Azuol · 10/20/08, 3:53 AM

Originally Posted by esoxlucius

i did put the question in the wowlk thread, but then again it didnt seem the right spot to ask the question.

Is it true that haste has effects on cooldowns too? And did you noticed a big difference in attackspeed during a figt (bloodlust and shammy totems being a raidwide buff etc) I did noticed that my speed was between 2.48 and 1,48.
really annoying since i have to change rotation all the time, and a speed below 2.5 isnt good if steady shot cooldown is 1.5 sec is it. But is the cooldown is reduced too by the haste than it doesnt matter and you can keep sticking haste on but tbh that doesnt make sense is it?

I kinda lost grip on the subject and really would love to hear some of your experience and tips.

Regards

No Haste does not affect our GCD so it will always be 1.5sec. Having a speed faster than 2.0 is fine since they have done away with autoshots getting clipped. Haste only affects our autoshot damage so its good for us just not great like it is for casters. So the haste effects from raid buffs will actually help your dps as it will up your autoshot DPS but it wont be effective for Steady Shot past the point that SS casts in 1.5sec.

esoxlucius · 10/20/08, 5:28 AM

Oke ty for the answer,

so in fact i could use myshotrotation all the way using a 1:1.5 shotrotationmacro even with high speed and not worry about clipping. I think i will change to a 1:1 rotation with handweaved ES and SS, and maybe when i see that i am shooting a lot quicker use a 3:2 rotation.

Btw the whole haste thing should be changed so we benefit from it like every class is, dont you agree?

regards