I thought of posting on the WoW forums, but then I realized I'd just get a bunch of groupthink as a response, so here I am...
I'm sure this has come up before, and while I've TRIED to use the warrior dps spreadsheet, my lack of skill in Excel, no definition of terms, and its outdatedness make it almost useless to me.
So, mongoose/crusader/potency; there is a lot of bad information floating around on crusader and mongoose on wowhead, thottbot and allakawhatsit. No one has posted a lvl 70 proc rate for either (does it change?), one person even said mongoose cancels flurry? These are all important questions, but the theorycraft of mongoose seems the biggest unanswered question...is it really worth it?
For a rogue, 120AP makes mongoose FAR AND AWAY the obvious choice...but for a [fury]warrior, is chance of 3.4% crit w/ 2% attack speed better than chance for 120AP with crusader@70? And then Potency is a constant...which is ALWAYS good.
I don't know how to get numbers on this, is there anyone here that can provide some good info?
Mongoose main, Potency off (unless you're rich as hell). This question has been answered a million times, there's a search function y'know.
Are there any numbers supporting this?
And I used the search, and found threads on tanking, rogue threads, shaman threads...fury warriors have a special balance of AP/crit that no other class has.
And I used the search, and found threads on tanking, rogue threads, shaman threads...fury warriors have a special balance of AP/crit that no other class has.
Tip: Search "enchants" in title only or just go to the DPS warrior spreadsheet thread.
And I used the search, and found threads on tanking, rogue threads, shaman threads...fury warriors have a special balance of AP/crit that no other class has.
Wait what other classes don't balance AP/crit?
In any case, I'm pretty sure you can plug those numbers into the DPS warrior spreadsheet and find out what's best for you.
Ya, well I'm not stupid, but I don't trust my results from the dps spreadsheet simply because I don't know what everything means, how to change the formulas, which numbers are up to date, and which field are modified by other formulas.
Searching enchants I didn't find anything usefull, just tanking information, rogues drooling, and people spouting stuff like "MG gives 8% crit" and Crusader gives 120str. I don't exactly trust that source.
However Vulajin, thanks for the link...I searched for like 15 minutes but didn't find that post...however with the computer I'm on right now, 45 seconds turns into 15 minutes very easily.
Basically from the posts in that thread it seems like Mongoose is up roughly 50% of the time, but this was annecdotal, and someone posted that potency on both hands beat out dual mongoose on the spreadsheet. Because of this, I posed the question of potency vs crusader. Anyone here have any input?
So here is another question...assuming mongoose has the same base proc as crusader (1.82), the PPM assuming 49 attacks/minute is 2.2. Considering inefficiency, we'll say 2.0.
So crusader gives 60str for 15 seconds twice a minute, and mongoose gives 3.4% crit for 15 seconds twice a minute and 2% attack speed.
Now here is where I may need some help from someone whos taking a statistics class in school:
You can loosely average that out to 30str or and 1.7% crit w/1% haste all the time....however there are inefficiencies such as 2 immediate procs, which would almost completely waste half of your procs for the minute. So in reality you have only a 50% chance of procing within the window of non-overlapping efficiency...BUT its not a CONTROLLED 2% proc, its still random on every swing, with a statistical average of twice per minute. So does the randomness of overlapping procs get negated with the randomness of having 3-4 procs that minute?
You can loosely average that out to 30str or and 1.7% crit w/1% haste all the time....however there are inefficiencies such as 2 immediate procs, which would almost completely waste half of your procs for the minute. So in reality you have only a 50% chance of procing within the window of non-overlapping efficiency...BUT its not a CONTROLLED 2% proc, its still random on every swing, with a statistical average of twice per minute. So does the randomness of overlapping procs get negated with the randomness of having 3-4 procs that minute?
Whew...little help?
Short answer: If you want reliability don't go for procs.
Sure they will be overlapping procs with mongoose, no less than you experienced with crusader. Was crusader the better enchant at the time back then for you?
If yes ... go for mongoose.
If no go for static enchants.
Procs are superior for PvP though because of their bursty nature.
06/14/07, 12:45 PM
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