[War] 4-Piece Warbringer Bonus

Riot · 06/15/07, 1:33 PM

Introduction:

My own threat while tanking, seems to top out at about 1100ish. In looking for ways to generate extra threat, I noticed that the bonus for four pieces of the Warbringer tank set is a 10% damage buff to your next damaging ability.

Giving a 10% damage buff to your Shield Slam seems pretty sweet for generating extra threat over a long period of time, but I was curious if it warranted swapping out other pieces of gear for it.

Question:

For those that have the four piece bonus, how do you like it? What was your average threat generation before and after using it, as realized on KTM or Omen?

Do you think it is worth losing 46 points of stamina or so?

Thanks in advance.

svagftw · 06/15/07, 7:12 PM

It's good as long as you have it, but nothing you will miss when you replace a part of the set. Kinda like Wrath 5 set bonus.

Xerophyte · 06/15/07, 8:08 PM

Let's theorycraft for a bit, 'cos that's fun and all.

Assumption: All revenges and shield slams hit
Assumption: You shield slam for 600
Assumption: You always shield slam after a revenge, no HS in between.
Assumption: You have 0 latency

This overvalues the efficiency of the bonus and gives an upper bound of 60 * 1.45 / 6 = 14.5 tps. Call it less than 2% more threat if you're pulling 750 or more TPS. Or, in short, weaker than glove enchant. Yay. :p

I wouldn't swap 46 sta for it under any circumstances, but then again I don't have your quality of gear either.

zepi · 06/15/07, 9:16 PM

Suggestion, try the setbonus with thunderclap while aoe-tanking. One of our warriors said it does wonders with Imp. TC... (He actually claimed that TC didn't consume the effect, anyone care to test that?)

Kaywarrior · 06/16/07, 5:30 AM

I loved the 4 piece while I used it. However as soon as I got 2 pieces from somewhere else I started to sub in different pieces of gear such as maiden gauntlets over tier 4 for the extra damage on my shield slams from the large amount of block on those gloves. I would personally agree with what an above poster said about wrath 5/8, good if you have it, but not worth it if you have to sacrifice for it.

If you are replacing it with tier 5, once you get two piece it starts to get better for getting threat anyways, because you will start to block (100 block value) then shield slam right after. I was using my auto-blocker for a Vashj kill and I was doing 2200~ crit shield slams with the 2pc t5 going and the auto-blocker popped.

Teez · 06/16/07, 7:14 AM

I gave the 4pc a whirl for a couple days and ... I'm not impressed. I figured I'd throw on the legs for a few encounters here and there just to see how it'd pan out, and the block value on my T5 legs made up for half the difference already, the change was just far too marginal. The one bonus that *will* net you a considerable TPS and Mitigation increase is the 2pc T5, that one's going to hurt to let go, I have a feeling.

The analogy between 5pc T2 and 4pc T4 is definitely fitting, I guess it goes hand in hand with the 2pc T3 aswell ... they're nice to have, but they're not gamebreaking, and you shouldn't hold on to them over individual slot upgrades.

stampy · 06/16/07, 12:57 PM

I was under the impression that, since its worded as "100 block value against a single attack," the 2 piece T5 bonus only affected block value for blocking... you mention TPS though. Will it boost shield slam if you pop one off before you get a block?

Teez · 06/17/07, 1:00 AM

It does, and it's affected by shield mastery too (so you actually gain 130 block value both defensively and offensively)

Tamaja · 06/17/07, 1:41 AM

This 4 piece is "almost" as bad as the tier 5 4 piece. And if you are waiting to SS after revenge ( their is some delay before you get the buff) Then I bet you are actually losing threat because of the lag time on your hs. I remember when using it ( 3-5 or so weeks ago)I was getting some abnormally large HS using the proc and I think I saw some mention of it getting "fixed" in some patch notes. If it isn't fixed you are probably better off using it with HS or just using it as a bonus to whatever special you use(the best bet imo).

svagftw · 06/17/07, 12:03 PM

Calling tier 5 4-piece bad doesn't exactly make you look smart.

Tamaja · 06/17/07, 5:59 PM

Originally Posted by svagftw

Calling tier 5 4-piece bad doesn't exactly make you look smart.

Go ahead and do the math on the increased threat generation for me. I am sure the numbers prove your point at HOW amazing it truly is. Go ahead or move along.

Kaywarrior · 06/17/07, 6:26 PM

I have noticed a 150-200 TPS jump in my threat gen since i went from 3 piece to 4 piece t5.

Crowbite · 06/17/07, 6:57 PM

Originally Posted by Tamaja

Go ahead and do the math on the increased threat generation for me. I am sure the numbers prove your point at HOW amazing it truly is. Go ahead or move along.

I'm pretty sure what he is referring too is that you are calling a 4 piece bonus on some of the best gear available bad.

According to wowhead, it's a 7% chance to proc a 19% haste. Assuming a mob hits you 45 times in a minute, he will proc on average 3 times meaning 30 seconds of 19% haste should net you an extra 6 or 7 swings per minute with a 1.6 speed weapon.

6 more HS' at 306 average damage (a number pulled from a WWS from a warrior in tier 4) = 502 threat x 1.25 (defensive stance) x 1.15 ( defiance) = 4329.75 threat / minute = 72 TPS.

That's a bad bonus?

Just noticed I forgot in that 45 hits/minute to include dodges. Are there any significant bosses that hit for faster then 1attack /1.5 seconds?

Tamaja · 06/18/07, 3:32 AM

If you are getting hit 45 times in one min you know how many times you would get crushed? Like any idea? That isn't even close to an amount of hits a tank during a boss fight takes. shied block(improved) blocks 2 attacks every 5 seconds. Thus 24 hits per min. So if you are taking 45 hits per min? As a warrior? You are getting crushed a ton (Over 3 times per min). Try Living during stage 3 Vashj getting crushed that often. So sure if you use invalid numbers of course the set bonus looks good. My second point. You would get 6 more HS as if all your specials land? Hmm did you forget to mention? Parry? Block? Dodge? Miss? From the boss's hit table? Looking at most tanks WWS I see about a 20% ( miss of some kind rate) 20% *6 means 4.8 land. 4.8 HS per min using you very outlandish guess at 46 hits per me = 57 TPS. In all likely hood you are getting hit less than 24 times per min. Thus the set bonus is about half of 57 TPS which is what? 28 TPS? When you factor in that you get half the procs ( because of half the hits) 4.8 HS = 2.4 HS and 28 TPS = 14TPS. An average tank with this gear gets what 1.4% tps? A glove enchant from aq40 is what 2%? Most tanks use 15 agil or 8 stam for a glove enchant so I am going to equate this set bonus to 8 stam? 4 Piece tier 5 set bonus is 8 stam? Would anyone in their right mind call that a "good" set bonus?
Seems game breaking. Sure it isn't a horrible set bonus but a GOOD set bonus come on give me a break! A good 4 piece is tier 5 for pallies. Set: Reduces the casting time of your Holy Light spell by -0.25 sec. Sure the warrior set bonus isn't horrible but it isn't anything special and saying that you noticed a 150-200 TPS jump is ignorant at best.