[Mage] How Can Arcane Damage Work? - Page 158

Roywyn · 11/09/07, 9:49 AM

Edit: Oops, thought this was in the general Mage 2.3 TC thread. Not much to do with arcane, but still some valid points/thoughts. Might move it over if it's worth it.

Originally Posted by galzohar

As for frost, I'd redo the numbers to see the actual differences but unfortunately I don't have time for it ATM. 3% more hit plus the no DPS reduction due to level difference (which was never represented in my spreadsheets) could buff frost by quite a bit, just not sure if it would be enough or not after I fix the numbers.

The -5% partial resists that frost does not have are a really nice boost.

The 3% hit is good at the beginning, but wanes when you get close to the hit cap without actively stacking for hit. And we don't even know if those 6% hit are intended. (Or, well, I think we do know, but we don't know if those with the power to change it know about it.)
I guess you could drop Belt of Blasting for Anetheron's Noose for some minimal damage gains and some stamina/intellect, same with Wand of the Forgotten Star to Carved Witch Doctor's Stick.
Even switchng from Tempest/Chronicle to Zhar'doom is just a very small gain for the loss of 34 hit rating.

Having run as frost for a week and a half now (Illidan, parasite duty and -75% slowing blizzard), my major concern about the Water Elemental is its low health.
I ran Molten Core with 1940 HP unbuffed ("frozen wrath" greens over T1/2, yay!) dieing every other minute to something, but the Water Elemental easily beats that.
Maybe it's because there is far more raid damage going around in HS/BT, but it gets one-or two-shot by about everything out there. I know you can't just simply double its health without breaking it more in PvP, but I think some AoE/DoT damage reduction might be a start.

I don't think that I can see Frost PvE going anywhere really from what I saw raiding as frost the last couple of days. The elemental dies too often, you're 100% vulnerable to interrupts (Teron/RoL, and some more to a lesser extent), and a major selling point Ice Block becomes trainable. (Don't start a new discussion on the value of it, it's been talked to death already!)
I see a potential in double Ice Block and Ice Barrier for survival fights, but your Elemental would die even more often.

I'll just wait and see what Frost21/Sunwell Plateau will bring us

MilynnofTerokkar · 08/12/08, 10:47 AM

So, you decided to respec to that "cookie-cutter raid fire spec"? Sweet, isn't it? I don't care what anyone says, fire is the THE best for dps and kicking some ass... I'm not geared that well yet and am still working on getting past Kara, but my dps is always 600-800 and I'm loving it. For my level, I'm pretty damn good!
Fire is the way to go dude, I tried frost and I used arcane a little along the way, but nothing compares...
Have fun!!

phorton · 08/12/08, 10:58 AM

I didn't go full arcane on my mage. I went 30/0/31 with mine frost/arc and i have to say the mana vs damage ratio is awesome!.

Nurru · 08/12/08, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by phorton

I didn't go full arcane on my mage. I went 30/0/31 with mine frost/arc and i have to say the mana vs damage ratio is awesome!.

Your dps, however, is not. What made you choose that spec? Any sort of Frost spec is going to be mana efficient, and you managed to not get Arcane Power despite being so deep in the tree.