I don't know if you've been testing this on the PTR or not. I have. That's the AM change in the 2.2 patch notes. Each missile is counting as it's own casted spell. The 6 checks are working for things like the spellstrike set and the robe of the elder scribes. Bonuses that have previously checked once per AM.

I'm not making this stuff up out of hopeful speculation. This is fact.

Ok, I will have to call BS on this, although this is something I have been waiting for myself so that I can finally try my [Ashtongue Talisman of Insight], which currently does not work on AM. I ask you, kindly, to check specifically for mystical skyfire diamond. If you could confirm for that it would be quite awesome, I will not dispute that.


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[Robe of the Elder Scribes]
Gives a chance when your harmful spells land to increase the damage of your spells and effects by up to 130 for 10 seconds.

[Spellstrike Hood]
2: Gives a chance when your harmful spells land to increase the damage of your spells and effects by 92 for 10 seconds.

I can confirm the mystical skyfire diamond, the insightful earthstorm diamond, the spellstrike set bonus and the robe of the elder scribes. Nothing else I have on the PTR works with this change.

You actually crushed my dreams. I was reading through this thread and found out that the talisman currently is broken with AM. I was all hyped because I'm hitting exalted today. Guess 2.2's just going to be a double whammy. Mystical skyfire AND the talisman.

Edit: In fact, I logged onto the PTR while making this post just to make EXTRA sure that some ninja server side patch didn't make it in that broke AM with the mystical skyfire. And it didn't. Still works as of, like, exactly the time of this post.

Wait, I just want to be sure because this is earthshattering change. Could you test whether or not you can proc twice mystical skyfire diamond out of 1 AM ?

I know we cant use spellstrike and robe of elder scribes for this. That procs upon landing. But mystical is per spell cast.

I hope you can understand I am insistant, but this IS a huge change. We already could proc 1 mystical skyfire diamond per AM in the past. The crucial test is to get 2 mystical procs for ONE AM.

Can each missile proc clearcasting? :o

I'm double extra.... hell.... even triple sure of this. Each time you channel AM, there are exactly 6 checks per cast. One at the start of the channel and then one for every missile. At a 5% proc rate per check, that averages out to at least one mystical skyfire proc 27% of the time per full AM channel.

Yes, you can have multiple procs per cast. Yes, it can proc at the end of your channel.

And, yes. This is earth shattering. It's every bit as big of a deal as you think it is. I tried posting my findings, like, a month ago on the official mage boards but no one seemed to understand the implications.

No, clear casting can not proc per missile. This is amazing. But not THAT amazing.

Shhhh. Keep this under wraps! I want this to go live. =p

Pretty certain that the clearcasting proc is tied to the check for spending mana (which is why it procs at the beginning of AM and at the end of every other spell), so the change wouldn't have any effect on clearcast

I'm like 90% sure this is intended. After all, it's right in the patch notes. Granted, the meta was not cited as a specific example in the notes. But the idea is the same. Maybe blizzard didn't fully think this change out. But it's intentional and is almost certainly making it to live.

How long will it stay on live? I don't know. My suggestion is enjoy it while it lasts and cross your fingers every subsequent patch.

Ok, let me re-iterate.

If this change is going through. Ignoring DPM concerns for a short time, this could lead to the dawn of a new age, or something of the sort. TLC will be overly overly overly overpowered. This cannot be right. Were speaking here of 1500-1600+ dps AM spam, and very very possibly more. Sure, you will go oom faster than anything else save arcane brilliance spam, but jesus, downrank AM to proc TLC if mana is a concern....

[The Lightning Capacitor]
[Ashtongue Talisman of Insight]
[Ring of Ancient Knowledge] (not unique)
[Pattern: Mantle of Nimble Thought]
[Pattern: Bracers of Nimble Thought]
[Zhar'doom, Greatstaff of the Devourer]
[Waistwrap of Infinity]

4pc t5 (+70dmg / 6s on every crit)
4pc t6 (+5% dmg on AM)

lol?

Quag's Eye? 10s of uptime per proc, one proc every 30s or so?!

I wouldn't be so quick to stack haste items. And definitely one of your rings should end up being the exalted hyjal ring. Dollars to donuts that ring's proc is going to be checking the same way the mystical skyfire is checking.

This isn't going to make haste better than it is right now in my opinion. It's still way overpriced. I'd go for one haste ring, the staff, and the trinket.

And, yes. DPM is my main concern. I'll have to see how it pans out. I have high hopes, though. Seeing as with JoW and a shadow priest, I earn almost as much mana as I spend while chain casting AM. Completely eliminating the need to pot, gem or evocate.

Now, I've just been doing that for a test in theory. Not as a practical maximization of my raid dps. But, the fact that I can do it makes me think the extra mana spent on focused AMs will work itself out. Because, of course, the faster you can pump out missiles, the faster JoW gives you mana.

I tested quag's eye. It doesn't seem to work per missile.

Not sure honestly why 1500-1600 dps spam with this would be that grossly overpowered. Afterall doesn't rogues already do well more than this and mages in single target dps tend to fall behind the BM hunters doing this much dps as well as some locks. Perhaps this is Blizzard's way of upping the dps of mages, like a TBC version of late pre TBC ignite mechanics?

i dont think you guys understand the numbers....

you put spell haste gear not because it sucks, I know it sucks. It has no sockets. But, with every spell haste gear you get, you increase the uptime on ashtongue talisman of insight. The more you have that proc up, that more you proc your mystical skyfire diamond and vice versa.

Btw, doing some rough math, rank 3 AM spam with the gear listed above yields 500 dps. Take that as you will.

It has a hidden cooldown. I actually assumed it was per missile in my spreadsheet and the results were not really impressive.

I am 100% positive that Quagmirran's eye has 45s internal cooldown, making it near total shit.
Besides, for AM spam, the best trinkets are clearly:

[Ashtongue Talisman of Insight]
[The Lightning Capacitor]

EDIT: ok well i just copied my player to the ptr. I won't be able to test it tonight due to raid, but I surely will asap.

Yeah I know. My first main last year and for the first 6-7 months of my gaming/raiding life was a mage. Hence why I've always watched the mage threads. I knew how useless AM was in most situations, and making it good now would kinda be a shock. But a welcome one.

...and every mage out there has the rep for the Ashtongue, right?

It's 18s cooldown (3xduration) by the way; you're thinking of shiffar's/sextant. The uptime would be over 1/3...so it would be a flat 5% dps increase.

Sounds like a moot point if Frostie is right about each missile not proc'ing it.

I don't know if that was intentional or not Manly but it certainly made me chuckle.

No I assure you, its not duration * 3. I tested it extensively. Download the mod ProcTracker. Open the source code. You will see a list of all the debuffs that are tracked. Add the proc for the quagmirran's eye. Run the mod. I even posted the screenshot in other thread.

It is 45s.

EDIT: ok, if you don't have the rep for exalted ashtongue:
[Darkmoon Card: Crusade]
[The Lightning Capacitor]

Way back when I did testing with Quag's Eye and couldn't get better than 46 seconds between procs. I even posted in the thread at the time about cooldowns. I can't prove that the cooldown is 45 seconds but it was certainly looking to be a statistical likelihood.