I was wondering if Roywyn or someone else might be so kind as to give a quick "tutorial" on how to make this adjustment? I was poking around in the sheet but couldn't seem to find where to make the fix. Would be very helpful!

Recently on both wowhead and thottbot, the internal CD/hidden CD's have been set to 0 (thottbot) and N/A (wowhead) on most (if not all) chance on hit/crit/cast procs. Does this reflect ingame mechanics or is it just a plain mistake? (Im using Robe of Elder Scribes as an example, see links below)

Earlier in this thread there have been questions if Blade of Wizardry Blade of Wizardry - Items - World of Warcraft had a hidden cd. Im interested in knowing this as well (if its worth buying), but havent been able to find it anywhere. There is a nice list here of some of the stuff u could consider as AM mage, but i cant find Blade of Wizardry on it. Have any of u with this weapon tested if there is an hidden cd?

Thottbot: Thottbot World of Warcraft: Knlowedge is Power

Wowhead: Knlowedge is Power - Spells - World of Warcraft

AM List: SimulationCraft/Abusing Arcane Missles - Shadowpriest.com Wiki

At least there once was a hidden CD on it, and it was supposed to be 18 sec if i remember correctly.

It might have been changed though, as i haven't use the Blade for months now.

Xi'ris comes out to 32 crit and 19 passive damage.

Crusade=80 passive damage.

Thott/Wowhead has never displayed internal cooldowns, only listed ones. The field you are referring to has always been set to zero. The best "proof" of this is that people have debated the exact length of these internal CDs. They wouldn't have had to if it had been data-mine-able.

Regarding Blade of Wizardry, however: it is still very possible that weaponswapping to the Blade after the cooldown expires is dps maximizing even given the best alternative weapons.

Hi,

has anyone an idea how good (or bad) Quagmirrans Eye will bei fpr Missile spam? Thottbot World of Warcraft: Quagmirran's Eye

18s hidden cooldown i think.

Normally i wear TLC and Thottbot World of Warcraft: Icon of the Silver Crescent. But i tend to forget aktivating the trinket sometimes...so would Quagmirrans Eye be better for missile spam?

mfg

I bought the blade pre 2.2 kinda cheap hoping to swap it as suggested above. The cooldown is probably 45s. I tested for about 15 minutes on Dr. Boom and never got a 2nd proc sooner than 51 seconds.

I plan to enchant it with spellsurge (also a 45s ish CD) and use it with modified version of CasterWeaponSwapper - Information, Downloads, and Screenshots - UI Mods - World of Warcraft - WoW Guru

I wonder if that means that it would be worth it to put spellsurge on my blade of wizardry and use it as my spellsurge weapon, hoping for the double proc. Right now I have the staff of infinite mysteries for spellsurge and use caster weapon swapper.

On a separate note -- with the changes to AM and MSD, I have discovered threat again as an arcane mage. Both in heroics and Kara I have been pulling aggro with Salv on. Time to move invis to a more prominant place on my bar. I think there are some tweaks to my playing that I need to do, but overall I am enjoying being competitive with our top fire mage spamming AM (pre-T5 with LC).

Hi, first post here.

I've been following this thread for a while, and respecced arcane a few weeks ago doing the normal AB rotations. We are currently 4/5 SSC and 2/4 TK. It is my understanding that fights in Hyjal/BT are a lot shorter than in SSC/TK, and that seems to be what all of you are talking about for spamming AM with MSD. Is it reasonable to expect to be able to spam AM in the longer SSC/TK fights? Or are you guys using up all of your mana in the 5 minute hyjal/BT fights?

I'm mostly wondering if it is worth it to drop the gold for MSD at this time and start spamming AM a lot, or if getting MSD will just screw up my AB rotations (I'm 2/5 T5).

My apologies if this was already answered, I have read the majority of the posts in this thread and didn't see it.

AM spam seems to be completely sustainable (and more, it still allows me to mana dump AB spam fairly aggressively) with a shadow priest and wearing some spirit on my gear. Without the spirit from set pieces and some offset pieces it might be a problem but it certainly does not feel constraining. I do pop potions for some fights but it definitely is no worse than my old AB(x)/AM/Scorch rotation. I'd actually say it is much better on mana use for me (no ashtongue) but that doesn't make a ton of sense to me really, unless somehow I'm getting more spirit ticks than I should be. I do of course end fights at low to zero mana but that's from converting excess into AB spam. Doing T5 content has not been an issue at all.

Play with it and see is my advice. Although re-gemming is expensive, I think you'll like the result.

Hi, also my first post here. I've also been following this thread for a while now. I have've seen MSD mentioned many times. But, as far as I remember, (I think it was a post from Manly on page 20/30ish), the use of the MSD proc is NOT so you will break your ABx3 AM Scorch rotation when it procs. Rather, you do a AM/Scorch instead of AB spam when you need to dump mana at the end of the fight.

am I completely off?

Also, any thoughts on the incoming 2.3 buff to fireball? will it suppress arcane again?

don't forget CoS vs. CoE

my dps from this week convinced one of our fire mages to go arcane. since we don't often have many locks, the remaining elemental mages won't be seeing much CoE.

The idea of MSD is to just spam AM until the boss tips over. With advanced gear (Ashtongue, MSD, 4/5 T6), spamming is actually a DPS decrease when you lose 2/5 T5.
To everyone's surprise, spamming AM with a lot of haste procs is not only sustainable, you can even use molten armour with it. Having JoW from a nice paladin adds an enormous amount of mana.

Taking Vontre's sheet and actually opening the correct file this time, the numbers look as follows for 2.3:

Arcane setup - 1763 DPS
Cowl of the Illidari Highlord, The Sun King's Talisman, Mantle of the Tempest, Cloak of the Illidari Council, Robes of the Tempest, Bracers of Nimble Thought, Gloves of the Tempest, Anetheron's Noose, Leggings of the Tempest, Slippers of the Seacaller, Band of the Eternal Sage (proc not modeled), Ring of Ancient Knowledge, Ashtongue Talisman of Insight, The Lightning Capacitor, Zhar'doom Greatstaff of the Devourer, Eredar Wand of Obliteration

Fireball setup - 1855 DPS (1813 DPS with 8*FiBa/Sc)
Cowl of the Illidari Highlord, Hellfire-Encased Pendant, Mantle of the Tempest, Cloak of the Illidari Council, Robes of the Tempest, Bracers of Nimble Thought, Gloves of the Tempest, Belt of Blasting, Leggings of the Tempest, Slippers of the Seacaller, Band of the Eternal Sage (proc not modeled), Ring of Ancient Knowledge, Darkmoon Card: Crusade, The Skull of Gul'dan, Tempest of Chaos, Chronicle of Dark Secrets, Wand of the Forgotten Star

This assumes raid buffs/debuff, 13% CoE (unlikely) and CoS, a purple gem and MSD in the
headpiece, red gems in the other slots. The fire setup is at 14.2% hit, so at least 1.2% above the cap.

Mind you that Arcane has lower range, pays mana up front, where as fire suffers from pushbacks, needs scorch stacked up and rarely has a 13% CoE (if at all).


One thing to note: Both specs at that gear level have no more burn mode.
Arcane Blast spam is less DPS than AM spam due to GCD and the lack of 2/5 T5.
Fire Blasts - even 0.0s cast delay - are a DPS loss according to the sheet. With that gear/bonuses, Fireballs deal almost exactly twice the damage of Fire Blast, but cast faster than in 3 seconds (2 GCDs) due to haste effects.

Thanks.

But I only have 2pcT5, no other haste gears,
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does that mean I shouldn't bother with MSD for now? just do ABX3 AM Scorch?

I am pretty ok with my current dps. I am usually top3 if not #1 in our raid, admittedly, I think our raid dps is kinda low. But I did very well when I was deep fire, and now that I got 2pcT5. But always looking for room for improvement of course

Try it out and see for yourself. I'm finding my AM-spam output to be quite reasonable using 4pcT5, MSD and no other haste or interesting pieces. Obviously there is great room for improvement from where I am right now but it is good enough that I intend to stay arcane for the near future and will be making Hyjal/BT gear selections based on that assumption. Now I just need to finally get a TLC if we ever run Kara again.

I'v been trying AM spam since the patch, and well simply, it's insane.

Wow Web Stats
First raid after the patch. I had a lot of mana problems during both Teron and najentis. My shadowpriest on najentis was lowest on DPS (100% dps time) with no shaman too, and didn't get mana tide on teron until after he died and htey started resurecting.

At first I thought I'd typically run into mana problems without mage armor, until last nights raid:

Wow Web Stats (see Kaz'rogal death)

Illidari council kill was with 0 consumables, and the WWS pass difers from everyone's damage meters, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

Judgement of Wisdom (Mana) 7,622

Being my unprepared self, I had no mana potions on kaz whatsoever. Only a mana gem and a badly timed (1 tick was half wasted) evocate. I was lucky with focus procs, have to admit. But 7,622 mana is absolutely insane from a paladin's judgement.

For trinkets I always use LC and Ashtongue exalted that I just got a few nights ago (previously I used sextant.)

Yeah I go OOM on Dr Boom in less than 2 minutes, but can spam AM for ~10 minutes no probs in raid.

JoW and shadowpriests make a huge difference.

Very interesting. Let me sum up one last time:

1. we don't get JoW.
2. I get a SPriest 80% of the time.
3. Our progression is at 2/4 TK, 4/6 SSC.

I can feel the pain of no SPriest in group but I can still do pretty decent (compared to people in our raid anyway) in the contents we do.

This is a typical raid make up of our raid. Wow Web Stats (our first solarian kill ever)

1. Will I be running in to serious mana problem with AM spam?
2. how would I gem my gears? I have T4 helm for MSD.
3. Is it just a straight AM spam, or AM scorch, AM scorch, AM scorch, then AM when focus procs?

Thanks for being patience with me and all the helpful advise.

Yesterday I tried out AM spec in SSC (morogrim, fathom and leotheras) but without Shadow priest or Shaman. I was out of mana in 2 minutes every fight and only 900 dps.
I don't know how I would perform with a SP in my group so I keep raiding with this spec untill I have tried it out.

I also don't really understand how one can keep up AM during a 10 minute fight, I guess SP and JoW make that much of a difference.

MSD AM spam just ain't sustainable without shadow priest and a lot of mana consumables, and even then it's border line unless you get JoW. If you know you're not/rarely getting shadow priest you should probably aim for deep fire with a combination of fireball and scorch, or arcane/fire scorch build. The only way I was able to perform in deep arcane without a shadow priest was by doing 2xAB/AM/wait for regen rotations and with 2 T5 it was competitive but not as good as AM spam in it's current state.

It depends a lot on group setup and judgements.
Some people here might just be clearing t5 content while others are farming illi.
Not only does this make a huge difference for your own gear, but a fully decked out shadow priest will return way more mana than one in t5 gear.
Mana seemed fine for me with a spriest and a resto sham, but I'm also in really high-end gear.

It's pretty proc dependant if you get insane dps, but even if you don't get chain procs it's still really nice dmg.
Also this might be the only spec to actually put out the dps without dieing, it was getting harder and harder for me to not get agro everywhere with fire.. but as arcane it's not an issue.
Have to say bloodlust + focus drains your mana fast
Time to get the spellhaste bracers made and pick up another haste ring till I'm exalted with hyjal.

We are a 1/5 SSC 1/4 TK guild so I am basically in spellfire with T4 and Kara epics. I tried out AM spam for the 1st time on Gruuls this week. Unfortunately both of our SP's were gone and we were pugging a number of people. Fortunately we had our ret pally and a prot pally and they worked together to give us 70%+ uptime on JoW. I was in a group with an elem. shammy for totems and running mage armor.

I was shocked at how little I had to manage my mana. The only time I really had to pay attention to it was the time I died and was battle rez'd (the kill). With more experience I expect that I will be able to do an AB burn at the end and/or include some destruction potions for heroism etc.

Also if you are having any mana issues (SP dies, JoW falls off) you can always fall back into a ABx1 AMx2 type rotation (keep AMing with focus or clearcasting) to get a bit more mana regen. With the changes in 2.3 this will be less needed.

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