[Mage] How Can Arcane Damage Work? - Page 73

Frostie · 10/01/07, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by pipermoonrunner

Very interesting. Let me sum up one last time:

1. we don't get JoW.
2. I get a SPriest 80% of the time.
3. Our progression is at 2/4 TK, 4/6 SSC.

I can feel the pain of no SPriest in group but I can still do pretty decent (compared to people in our raid anyway) in the contents we do.

This is a typical raid make up of our raid. Wow Web Stats (our first solarian kill ever)

1. Will I be running in to serious mana problem with AM spam?
2. how would I gem my gears? I have T4 helm for MSD.
3. Is it just a straight AM spam, or AM scorch, AM scorch, AM scorch, then AM when focus procs?

Thanks for being patience with me and all the helpful advise.

With your setup, you can still use AM spam as long as your spriest is good. You just might be using mage armor and mana pots some fights instead of molten armor and destruction pots.

Gemming you gear, the easiest thing to do is go for all +9s and just stick a glowing nightseye in somewhere. Probably t4 helm for the socket bonus.

Yeah it's straight AM spam. Nothing else really. The idea is that if you're casting anything other than AM, you're ruining your proc rate. Which is the whole point of this.

Give it a try. See how it works for you. Get your mage guildmates to spec it with you.

And explain to your raid leader that JoW would increase the effective DPM of each of the mages by about 25%. See if you can convince him JoW is an important consideration.

Searix · 10/01/07, 10:36 AM

Spent an hour this morning testing a few of the more uncommon things with the arcane missiles spam

Duds:
Mark of Defiance (Internal Cooldown)
6 peice Frostfire (To much damage lost, 200 damage extra is modified by +damage meaning an arcane missle tick gets 80-90 extra, for one tick, at the cost of arcane missiles hitting for ~100 less)
Blade of Eternal Darkness (Good sword if it only had passive +damage on it, 100 damage/mana gain proc has a chance to proc on every missle, but the loss of 200+ damage just kills it)
Shiffer's Horn(A poor man's sextant, ehhh not really.)
Bangle of Crap(Internal cooldown just kills it, would be awesome if it didn't have it)

Decent:
Pendant of the Violet Eye: Pair it with a focus proc and you get around 1200 mana every 2 minutes from this trinket, in addition to its base +40 intellect
Sextant(Passive crit is nice, and it will almost always proc after the 45 second internal cooldown is up, but that still seems to be lacking)

Need testing:
Darkmoon card: Blue Dragon

Maledict · 10/01/07, 11:11 AM

All the theorycrafting spreadsheets (and the site linked earlier) put the Sextant of Unstable Currents as one of the best trinkets for an arcane mage, only behind the Darkmoon : Crusade Card, Guldan's Skull and the Lightning Capacitator. Whilst it's not the best trinket available, it is a decent alternative if you can't get hold of one of the above.

Sackobones · 10/01/07, 1:17 PM

Out of curiosity.

I am wearing a teir 4 helm with the spell damage/run speed gem atm. I haven't changed because of a few reasons and one of them is what would be the best gem for arcane spec.

I am atm doing ab/am routines.

With my gear should I go with MSD and full AM spam?

I can't set up a link at work to my armory, but its Sackobones on Hellscream.

I have 2/5 teir 5 and spellfire and a few bits and baubles in addition to haveing the Crusade card in my inv for solid boss dpsing fights. I also have the LC so I have all the items I need to hit arcane hitcap and the trinkets to go with AM spam.

The one note, we often do not have JOW up at even 50% and our guild has just dropped Lady Vashj without hitting the enrage timer.

Our work will be still in ssc and tk for a bit with a ssc slant for a few weeks and then a full bore effort to kill solarian and Kael to move on to teir 6 dungeons.

Are the new AM spam boosts useful for me to try in this layout? Or should I wait until I gear up with more Spirit and wait until we get a judgement of wisdom up as a constant?

pipermoonrunner · 10/01/07, 2:02 PM

Originally Posted by Frostie

With your setup, you can still use AM spam as long as your spriest is good. You just might be using mage armor and mana pots some fights instead of molten armor and destruction pots.

Gemming you gear, the easiest thing to do is go for all +9s and just stick a glowing nightseye in somewhere. Probably t4 helm for the socket bonus.

Yeah it's straight AM spam. Nothing else really. The idea is that if you're casting anything other than AM, you're ruining your proc rate. Which is the whole point of this.

Give it a try. See how it works for you. Get your mage guildmates to spec it with you.

And explain to your raid leader that JoW would increase the effective DPM of each of the mages by about 25%. See if you can convince him JoW is an important consideration.

I will make the suggestion to our guild but my guess is that JoW isn't an option for the forseeable future.

1. Is AM spam (with MSD) vaible without JoW and a 70% SPriest attendance? Currently, I can somehow manage to stop top on the meter with just a shammy in group sometimes coupled with chugging mana pots.

2. If I were to do AM spam, is 2pcT5 bonus irrelavent then? I have the shoulders and gloves, will I be better off use Spellfire gloves? or have 2pc equiped at all time so I can spam AB at the end? hm... sounds like I answered my own question.

Northerner · 10/01/07, 2:05 PM

Well, the passive crit on the sextant is excellent for pairing with either the TLC or the Ashtongue. (If we had a third trinket slot it would be pretty good indeed and no cooldown would make it a monster.) For those missing a TLC or not yet with the ashtongue I'd rank Sextant quite highly and even then would value it with TLC for AE work.

For Sackobones, I'd say again just to try it and see. Our JoW uptime is poor and although I typically have a spriest, recently I've done a few fights without one and had no big issues.

Agony · 10/01/07, 2:11 PM

Hi guy,

i read this forum section since a good time now and find it quite interesting. Enough interesting to try all those theory about arcane in game since it seem to some that it is as good DPS and for others better DPS then fire spec.

I then make a 50/11 build whit an MSD to try it out not in theory

. In pvp, i have greath fun but, in raid, the AM spam is not sustainable for me. There is something im missing beside the JoW to sustain AM ? Our Mage have generally a Spriest but our pally are all healer so JoW is marginally apply if it ever is. So the mana regen is good but not the best we could possibly got. And while it is good enough for our Fire Mage its not near to be enough for an Arcane Mage especially AM spammer.

While i love the MSD proc for a burst damage(especially for PvP) in raid it only make you burn your mana faster and not regenarating mana since you dont get into the 5FR resulting in a good DPS but the worst DPM ever seen. In another hand the 3xAB 1xAM was quite sustainable whit only a Spriest in my group but since i dont have 2T5 yet but only 1 my DPS was not greath.

So my conclusion so far is, unless you have an idea how i can improve greathly my mana regen beside JoW, the AM spam is not sustainable in long fight.

here my armory
The Armory

Not the best gear i know, lacking alot of crit, but thats all i could manage to get for arcane so far. The gear for deep fire is so different, i choosed to drop spellfire stuff because it have so many yellow and the lack of INT is ridiculous IMO for arcane spec.

Keep the good work here lot of good info.

Agony
Gorefiend

Aoife · 10/01/07, 2:17 PM

Originally Posted by pipermoonrunner

I will make the suggestion to our guild but my guess is that JoW isn't an option for the forseeable future.

1. Is AM spam (with MSD) vaible without JoW and a 70% SPriest attendance? Currently, I can somehow manage to stop top on the meter with just a shammy in group sometimes coupled with chugging mana pots.

2. If I were to do AM spam, is 2pcT5 bonus irrelavent then? I have the shoulders and gloves, will I be better off use Spellfire gloves? or have 2pc equiped at all time so I can spam AB at the end? hm... sounds like I answered my own question.

I also have the gloves and shoulders (hopefully get the legs next clear) and I opted to go with the spellfire bonus since raid buffed it was 50-60 damage worth. I just spammed AM the entire time. I went with mage armor on void reaver, but afterwards I realized I could have used Molten with little troble.

Promethium · 10/01/07, 2:32 PM

I thank all the contributors of this very interesting post. However after 73 pages, around 1800 posts and a new patch (2.2), it would be good to summarize a little ... Because as you can see, I'm a holy priest, so more spirit than intellect

Our guild is farming Kara/Maulgar/Gruul/Magtheridon. We down now each week Void & Hyrdoss, and are progressing well on Al'ar & Lurker. So no 2T5 available for the moment but a strong and homogen stuff for most of the guildies (but no dream for T6 ^^ we're pretty away from the stuff described by many guys here !!)

So in theses conditions, I was wondering :
1/ when is it [worth/or equivalent] to switch from a classical deep fire 10/48/3 to a deep arcane template ?
2/ if an arcane template (like 50/11 or 48/13) is viable, what kind of cycle is good at this level ? => AM*3/AM/S or full AM (with a 100% shadow priest time and if needed a JoW, no sham)
3/ For the healm = T4+ MSD or Spellfire/Collar of the Grand Engineer. It surely depends of the type of cycle : correct me if I'm wrong : T4+MSD for full AM, Collar for a AB3/AM/S cycle ?)

These questions have been answered a few hundreds time before in this thread (I know

), but the conclusions seem to vary with time and people, especially about the AM spam... I also know our situation seems far away for many of you, but any answer will be greatly appreciated ! Thanks a lot !!

Aoife · 10/01/07, 2:39 PM

Originally Posted by Promethium

I thank all the contributors of this very interesting post. However after 73 pages, around 1800 posts and a new patch (2.2), it would be good to summarize a little ... Because as you can see, I'm a holy priest, so more spirit than intellect

Our guild is farming Kara/Maulgar/Gruul/Magtheridon. We down now each week Void & Hyrdoss, and are progressing well on Al'ar & Lurker. So no 2T5 available for the moment but a strong and homogen stuff for most of the guildies (but no dream for T6 ^^ we're pretty away from the stuff described by many guys here !!)

So in theses conditions, I was wondering :
1/ when is it [worth/or equivalent] to switch from a classical deep fire 10/48/3 to a deep arcane template ?
2/ if an arcane template (like 50/11 or 48/13) is viable, what kind of cycle is good at this level ? => AM*3/AM/S or full AM (with a 100% shadow priest time and if needed a JoW, no sham)
3/ For the healm = T4+ MSD or Spellfire/Collar of the Grand Engineer. It surely depends of the type of cycle : correct me if I'm wrong : T4+MSD for full AM, Collar for a AB3/AM/S cycle ?)

These questions have been answered a few hundreds time before in this thread (I know

), but the conclusions seem to vary with time and people, especially about the AM spam... I also know our situation seems far away for many of you, but any answer will be greatly appreciated ! Thanks a lot !!

Short answer is: AB rotation once you get 2-piece T5. It appears AM spam with MSD is viable before and after this though. Problem with MSD is that there isn't really a good alternative to T4 with a meta between Prince and Vashj+

Kir · 10/01/07, 3:45 PM

Originally Posted by Agony

Hi guy,

i read this forum section since a good time now and find it quite interesting. Enough interesting to try all those theory about arcane in game since it seem to some that it is as good DPS and for others better DPS then fire spec.

I then make a 50/11 build whit an MSD to try it out not in theory

. In pvp, i have greath fun but, in raid, the AM spam is not sustainable for me. There is something im missing beside the JoW to sustain AM ? Our Mage have generally a Spriest but our pally are all healer so JoW is marginally apply if it ever is. So the mana regen is good but not the best we could possibly got. And while it is good enough for our Fire Mage its not near to be enough for an Arcane Mage especially AM spammer.

Short version, you are doing something wrong.

With 100% JoW uptime, and only JoW, AM spam is as sustainable, if not more so when you use some tricks, then fire spec fireball spaming. It works out to over 200mp/5 with MSD gem, maybe even 300mp/5. if you compare that by subtracting that from the mana cost of AM, it's about the same cost as Fireball, but over a longer cast time (avg 4.1 secs for AM with MSD, vs 3 sec fireball), so you are going through your mana slower then fireball spamming. Without JoW, you need a shadow priest on any fight more then a few minutes long. You will probably need to use mage armor, chaining mana pots and/or chaining mana gems also. But, you have to do that with fire anyway for a lot of fights.

Basically, the more mana you are receiving, the more damage it will put out. If your guild can't have a paladin judging wisdom every so often, and you have no shadow priests, then you should stay fire. However, this is a very sub optimal setup anyways. If your guild doesn't want to put JoW up, because it will use too much of that pallys mana/time, then they are looking at the problem from the wrong angle. For most fights, the more dps being done, the less healing mana and time needed. Once they realize that JoW is a DPS INCREASE, and not just a way for you to get out of buying mana pots (you should be using destruction pots if your mana is ok) then they may be more willing to put it up.

ReignConfused · 10/01/07, 4:05 PM

Originally Posted by Promethium

Our guild is farming Kara/Maulgar/Gruul/Magtheridon. We down now each week Void & Hyrdoss, and are progressing well on Al'ar & Lurker. So no 2T5 available for the moment but a strong and homogen stuff for most of the guildies (but no dream for T6 ^^ we're pretty away from the stuff described by many guys here !!)

So in theses conditions, I was wondering :
1/ when is it [worth/or equivalent] to switch from a classical deep fire 10/48/3 to a deep arcane template ?
2/ if an arcane template (like 50/11 or 48/13) is viable, what kind of cycle is good at this level ? => AM*3/AM/S or full AM (with a 100% shadow priest time and if needed a JoW, no sham)
3/ For the healm = T4+ MSD or Spellfire/Collar of the Grand Engineer. It surely depends of the type of cycle : correct me if I'm wrong : T4+MSD for full AM, Collar for a AB3/AM/S cycle ?)

It depends on the gear, Fire definitely works better with so-so gear, especially at that level. I personally feel, that at your current level of raiding, that 10/48/3 is probably your best bet, especially considering you're going to see a lot of switch backs to that come 2.3 coefficient un-nerf. Arcane works with great gear and two piece T5 and a really good shadow priest, but not really viable UNTIL then.

AMx3 AM S. Is the rotation that's generally accepted, everything else is theorycrafting and people trying to be different, but the best arcane mages are generally rotating that spec unless they are fucking around. You DO want to AB spam the shit out of stuff. If it's going to be a 10 minute long fight, my best advice is AB spam down your entire mana pool to start, evocate to full, use that rotation safely for the remainder of the fight till the last 2 minutes and then evocate bakc to full and AB spam to empty.

Spellfire/Collar. MSD isn't worth that much trust me. Meta gems are fun and working with the procs can work out for some people, but honestly IMO it's better to just remain with static damage. Especially when you are talking T4 vs spellstrike or Collar.

[DRF]Solmyr · 10/01/07, 4:27 PM

Originally Posted by ReignConfused

Spellfire/Collar. MSD isn't worth that much trust me. Meta gems are fun and working with the procs can work out for some people, but honestly IMO it's better to just remain with static damage. Especially when you are talking T4 vs spellstrike or Collar.

The Armory

I've collected 2pc T5 (shoulder/pants), and have the Spellstrike set. Should I be using the Spellstrike Helm + 2pc Bonus and using the ABx3/AM/S rotation until AB spam OR MSD-T4 + 2pc Bonus and using AM spam until AB spam?

Assuming I always have a decent S.Priest... JoW is either 100% uptime or 0% uptime depending on whether or not our Prot.Pally is in raid.

Thanks to all that reply.

Esari · 10/01/07, 4:31 PM

Originally Posted by Roywyn

In doubt, ask Vontre's sheet!

I've taken his sheet, modified AM with MSD (in his sheet, AM has 4 casts that can proc MSD, it should be 6 though), plugged in full T6, T5/T6 stuff in the other slots. MSD, TLC, Ashtongue, Arcane spec.
I removed all points from the +hit talent to see how good hit is if I were not capped. It shouldn't affect values too much.

Scenario is full raid buffs, no shaman, molten armour, SP, JoW - just so that you can sustain AM spam.
Toying with the gear switch thingy options, I got the following values for stats:

10 int = 6.9 dmg (MM, crit), 10 spi = 1.1 dmg (imp. DS), 10 crit = 10.7 dmg, 10 hit = 19 dmg (artificially uncapped), 10 haste = 15.2 dmg.

Ignoring hit, we get the following damage equivalents.

Shoulders: Nimble Thought = 119 > Hatefury = 117 > Tempest = 113
Bracers: Focused Mana (full hit) = 91 > Nimble = 90 > Devastation = 70 > Focused Mana (no hit) = 55
Belt: Blasting (full hit) = 149 > Noose = 120 > Infinity = 119 > Blasting (0 hit) = 106
Weapons: Tempest/Chronicle (full hit) = 439 > Zhar'doom = 413 > Tempest/Chronicle (no hit) = 374
Ring: Captured Storms (full hit) = 109 > Knowledge = 99 > Eternity (revered) = 76 > Captured Storms (no hit) = 73

Switching the spec to fire and the trinkets to Crusade/Gul'dan is a 7% DPS loss, by the way.

Also, haste and crit are significantly weaker in any other spec. AM has mediocre +damage scaling, and scales with crit and hit based procs.

Edit:
I also wanted to check what the proc parts are worth in spell damage. I switched out the item in question and added spell power manually, with the gear mentioned above.
Mind you that it the values will most likely be different when your gear scales up or down.

TLC = 158 spell power
Ashtongue = 190 spell power
MSD = 350 spell power.
In the previous version, it was ~550 spell power, not sure what changed. Still a sick amount of damage.

how about Band of the Eternal Sage (exalted version)

Agony · 10/01/07, 4:39 PM

Originally Posted by Kir

Short version, you are doing something wrong.

With 100% JoW uptime, and only JoW, AM spam is as sustainable, if not more so when you use some tricks, then fire spec fireball spaming. It works out to over 200mp/5 with MSD gem, maybe even 300mp/5. if you compare that by subtracting that from the mana cost of AM, it's about the same cost as Fireball, but over a longer cast time (avg 4.1 secs for AM with MSD, vs 3 sec fireball), so you are going through your mana slower then fireball spamming.

your calculation seem encouraging, so i may miss too many MP5 tick?. How long after the 5sec casting time of AM should i wait to ensure a MP5 tick?

We have Spriest but JoW, im not too confident to get it for a good uptime. Our Paladin healer are scared to go near the boss and i cant really blame them, they scare me too

.

i have only 209mp5 out of combat and 31 in combat, i have to work on this and on crit also. I use mana oil and such trick to boost it a little of course. Maybe i miss my regen tick after AM too often. there is an addon who can help me manage my mana tick easyly?

Rouncer · 10/01/07, 6:06 PM

Originally Posted by Agony

your calculation seem encouraging, so i may miss too many MP5 tick?. How long after the 5sec casting time of AM should i wait to ensure a MP5 tick?

We have Spriest but JoW, im not too confident to get it for a good uptime. Our Paladin healer are scared to go near the boss and i cant really blame them, they scare me too

.

i have only 209mp5 out of combat and 31 in combat, i have to work on this and on crit also. I use mana oil and such trick to boost it a little of course. Maybe i miss my regen tick after AM too often. there is an addon who can help me manage my mana tick easyly?

First off use Mage Armor especially if you are having mana issues. 3% crit vs 63mp5. Mage armor is an additional 1512 mana every 2 minutes and it should be even more since I am guessing that the 209mp5 you quoted probably doesn't take the spirit you gain from food and from Blessing of Kings.

◊ Vontre · 10/01/07, 6:23 PM

Originally Posted by ReignConfused

AMx3 AM S. Is the rotation that's generally accepted, everything else is theorycrafting and people trying to be different, but the best arcane mages are generally rotating that spec unless they are fucking around. You DO want to AB spam the shit out of stuff. If it's going to be a 10 minute long fight, my best advice is AB spam down your entire mana pool to start, evocate to full, use that rotation safely for the remainder of the fight till the last 2 minutes and then evocate bakc to full and AB spam to empty.

Spellfire/Collar. MSD isn't worth that much trust me. Meta gems are fun and working with the procs can work out for some people, but honestly IMO it's better to just remain with static damage. Especially when you are talking T4 vs spellstrike or Collar.

I don't mean to be condescending but this is all completely wrong and I don't want anyone looking for advice to be confused on this. ABx3 AM Scorch is an outdated playstyle that was made obsolete with the 2.2 patch. MSD is an awesome meta gem for any spec, and is downright stupidly good for arcane specs. The best thing to do as an arcane mage is spam arcane missiles, acquire gear that benefits this. MSD should be a top priority, any helm without a meta slot is garbage.

There is a great deal of information out there already regarding the new calculations and proc methods, there's a good summary on shadowpriest.com wiki and this is theorycrafted in my spreadsheet as well. Look back a few pages on the mage threads of these boards too.

Andersnordic · 10/01/07, 11:19 PM

There are some misconceptions around already.

Firstly, we can more or less say for sure that with 4p T6, 1-2 haste pieces (Ring, bracer), Ashtongue, TLC - AM spam is optimal. This has been confirmed by some of the nice ppl on this thread providing wws files;p.

However, we have yet to document where the "break even point" of AB spam vs AM spam is (Gear benchmark) because we would need an awful lot of wws parses with various gear lvls to confirm it.

AB spam with 2p T5 is still very much viable (And the optimal way to go until a certain point).

I would say AB spam > AM spam until you get a minimum of gear. This would be TLC + Ashtongue at a minimum. Try to get the MINIMUM of required AM gear before you go that road (Or you will be disappointed). When you reach this benchmark you can revert from AB to AM spam.

Keep in mind that there is still a possibility of strictly focusing on AB gear (Non proc, non haste) deep into BT/Hyjal and produce more DPS than you could have done with AM spam (On several encounters). Optimally you will have some AM gear + some AB gear with you until you complete your AM gear goal.

To take a few encounters:

Hyjal waves; crit gear (Non haste) for AOE (Switch to AB or AM gear on bosses).

Azgalor; is a good example where AB gear is optimal (You can AB spam the whole encounter, while not silenced that is, with the correct gear and outdps any melee). AM spam is tricky here.

Rage; Leech of Jainas spirit buff and you can more or less AB spam the whole fight. No other classes will have a chance in hell to beat you.

And keep in mind that some of the posters here, have more epics than God. So what applies to them, might not apply to you until you meet the gear benchmark

Promethium · 10/02/07, 2:43 AM

@Vontre & Andersnodic : thanks a lot, everything seems pretty clear now

grayrest · 10/02/07, 3:24 AM

My guild is at roughly the same progression level (Kara+Gruul) and having nuked arcane in a 40/0/21 build since the 2.1 patch fixed AM, I will testify that AM spam is definitely superior to AB rotations. My dps jumped from 640-660 in a 3AB->AM->Pause rotation up to roughly 710 (+- 40) in the 2.2 patch.

Since we're lacking WWS parses around this gear level, here's Saturday's Run (yeah, rough night). That was my first time seeing Attumen, Opera, Moroes, Curator, Aran, and Prince. My numbers on Gruul this week were 685-800 dps. I looked through guilds with similar gear levels (#250-275 on the wws ranking for Attumen fight, we're 256) and I seem to be performing in line with the top mages in those guilds from fight to fight (all significantly outgear me), so I feel my performance is acceptable.

Edit: I gear swap to 94 hit rating. I plan on getting the spellstrike pants, which puts me within 10 hit rating of being hit capped and I'd rather keep Imp. Counterspell.

Eusheka · 10/02/07, 4:26 AM

Andersnordic, from what ive seen in raiding so far even at the T5 point AM spam is better for overall DPS than AB rotations, although you do have a point on AB Not being entirely useless, haste gem or not still chain casting AB for the last 20% of a bosses health is some sick DPS.

eiji · 10/02/07, 4:51 AM

Manly, Aldric, Vaciador, Frostie or someone else can make a video in order to the arcane template with high end stuff ?
Don't make a 15 minute video with a music, we just want a 3 minute capture on a combat like Winterchill Rage or Teron Gorefiend.

Thank you

Sancus · 10/02/07, 6:15 AM

I would say AB spam > AM spam until you get a minimum of gear. This would be TLC + Ashtongue at a minimum. Try to get the MINIMUM of required AM gear before you go that road (Or you will be disappointed).

I don't have TLC(I use ashtongue + darkmoon:crusade) and as far as I can tell, AM spam is much, much better than AB spam + a rotation, even without TLC. I think MSD is the Big Thing for AM spam, and other than that, just do what you can.

TLC is certainly good, but I really don't see it increasing my dps by more than 5% or so, which is certainly great, but it's not night and day.

Pintofbrew · 10/02/07, 6:20 AM

Originally Posted by Sancus

TLC is certainly good, but I really don't see it increasing my dps by more than 5% or so, which is certainly great, but it's not night and day.

Numerous posters have noted it represents a anything from 7 to 9% during an encounter.If you want to calculate more accurately, LC gives circa 890 (compounded with crit) per 3 crits, so if you take: (Total AM cruits/3)*890 that's how much damage you would have gained by inserting TLC. Values from 60 (abx2,am) to 98-100 (am spam) are typical. As a comparisson, Crusade should be giving you circa 25ish dps (willing to be corrected on that one).

edit: amazingly, with no space "take: (Total AM" becomes "Take

Total AM"

Frostie · 10/02/07, 6:36 AM

Originally Posted by eiji

Manly, Aldric, Vaciador, Frostie or someone else can make a video in order to the arcane template with high end stuff ?
Don't make a 15 minute video with a music, we just want a 3 minute capture on a combat like Winterchill Rage or Teron Gorefiend.

Thank you

Not much to it. You'll just see a lot of 1100s. I'm not sure what it will accomplish. But maybe I'll try to fraps rage today. Unless I can't find a copy of fraps. Or I do something really stupid during the fight. :p