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Old 02/24/07, 12:08 PM   #136
Egminos
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Troll Druid
 
The Maelstrom (EU)
Skytor, thanks a lot for the update. Just one thing i'd like to mention: the Resolute Cape got changed to:
Resolute Cape
Binds when equipped
Back
289 Armor
+30 Stamina
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves resilience rating by 21.

(see http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24258)

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Old 02/24/07, 8:56 PM   #137
Shiftir
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Night Elf Druid
 
Stormscale
Does anyone have any basic tankpoints/final comparisons between the shadowmoon quest items and say, Tier 4 or Tier 5? I have a complete set of high-armor leather with decent feral stats right now from these quests, and the tier 4 stuff isn't an upgrade for tanking at least as far as I can tell. Maybe I'm missing something? We're clearing karazhan and I have the T4 feral gloves now, but they only see use in my dps set; still use verdant in my tanking set. I'd like to believe there are upgrade from 2-man outdoors group quests.

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Old 02/24/07, 9:11 PM   #138
Kazanir
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Originally Posted by Shiftir View Post
Does anyone have any basic tankpoints/final comparisons between the shadowmoon quest items and say, Tier 4 or Tier 5? I have a complete set of high-armor leather with decent feral stats right now from these quests, and the tier 4 stuff isn't an upgrade for tanking at least as far as I can tell. Maybe I'm missing something? We're clearing karazhan and I have the T4 feral gloves now, but they only see use in my dps set; still use verdant in my tanking set. I'd like to believe there are upgrade from 2-man outdoors group quests.
They aren't. This is pretty much well-known though, we don't have high hopes of it changing :/

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Old 02/24/07, 11:00 PM   #139
Shiftir
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Stormscale
What was the purpose of these quest items which are obviously designed for ferals if there's no progression replacements?

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Old 02/25/07, 1:28 AM   #140
Kazanir
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Originally Posted by Shiftir View Post
What was the purpose of these quest items which are obviously designed for ferals if there's no progression replacements?
Good frickin' question.

Zyla's theory is that they are all accidents or rogue designers operating without regard to the consistent vision of raiding gear itemization, which is to pretend that bears don't exist.

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Old 02/25/07, 2:26 AM   #141
Zyla
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Originally Posted by Kazanir View Post
Good frickin' question.

Zyla's theory is that they are all accidents or rogue designers operating without regard to the consistent vision of raiding gear itemization, which is to pretend that bears don't exist.
Someone tried to divide by zero.

Its the only rational explanation.

There just were so many items made for us, it started to not seem like a coincidence...then the bearocaust of the upcoming patch came.

Its like dating a long distance girlfriend...you talk about it a lot, then one day the two of you meet, and you hump each others brains out for a solid weekend. Then she heads back to her school, and restarts things with her old boyfriend..till the next school vacation, when she comes calling again.

Such is the life of a tanking druid. Our crazy weekend fling has been outstanding this time.

Last edited by Zyla : 02/25/07 at 2:31 AM.

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Zyla, International Man of a Certain Standard.
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That's right, I met my future wife through Zyla. :shudder:

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Old 02/25/07, 2:45 AM   #142
Shiftir
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Night Elf Druid
 
Stormscale
They won't need to pretend bears don't exist, for all intents and purposes they WONT exist if itemization isn't fixed. Bears are viable tanks right now due to the shadowmoon equipment and stuff like the earthwarden / mark of tyranny / armor rings.

If these items aren't upgraded or we tried to tank in say.. our Tier 4 set + Heavy Clefthoof gear.....bears would be laughable.

Perhaps thats what they intend.

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Old 02/25/07, 2:55 AM   #143
Zyla
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Just bugs me when people argue about how broken druids are by saying "dear god, you're getting those kind of numbers without epics" without realizing that in a sense...those blues ARE our epics :/

I mean, for god's sake, I'm still using a trinket I got at level 56. I'm just waiting for them to take that out of the game too.

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Zyla, International Man of a Certain Standard.
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That's right, I met my future wife through Zyla. :shudder:

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Old 02/25/07, 5:14 AM   #144
Averun
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Night Elf Druid
 
Gorefiend
no joke: I had a dream that mark of tyrrany had the "less effective over 60" thing applied to it...scary stuff.

101'st Gorefiend Rawrbomb Squadron > 104'th :P

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Old 02/25/07, 7:59 AM   #145
Whitetooth
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I've just uploaded TankPoints 2.4.0, which fixed A LOT of druid bugs including the incorrect DodgePerAgi formula that was causing Agi to be overrated for druids, I highly recommend druid tanks who are using older versions to upgrade to 2.4.0.

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Old 02/25/07, 9:17 AM   #146
Shiftir
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Stormscale
I'd propose that druids actually get 4 Tier 4/Tier 5/BG sets rather than 3.

There'd be a healing, moonkin, cat and bear set.

Healing and moonkin sets are fine, I think they've got a good handle on how to make these.

Cat set would feature str/agi/sta/crit/hit with hit being minor since we only need 5.6% hit. A good emphasis on str/agi on this set. 5 stats ensures we make the most out of our item points. No int/spi/+heal please.

Bear set would be Sta/Str/Agi/+def/+dodge with a heavy emphasis on Sta and Agi with Str being the low stat. Some item points can be sacrificed for armor.

And for the love of God, put some tanking leather upgrades outside of sets and have them drop in dungeons so that I can look at some drops and think it'd be nice to have that for tanking. In all of Karazhan I don't think there's a single peice of tanking leather.

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Old 02/25/07, 10:25 AM   #147
Exewut
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Originally Posted by Kazanir View Post
Good frickin' question.

Zyla's theory is that they are all accidents or rogue designers operating without regard to the consistent vision of raiding gear itemization, which is to pretend that bears don't exist.
They always said there was a difference between leveling gear and raiding gear. Those quests are leveling gear, Kazerhan gear is raiding gear. Draw your own conclusions
Feral is for damage, and tanking mobs like the Priest in Gruul's lair in dps gear, or a tleast, that's my impression.

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Old 02/25/07, 2:32 PM   #148
Boevis
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I'm curious how you think Supple Leather Boots, Ash Tempred Leggings, Verdant Gloves, Manimals Cinch, Umberhowl's Collar, and Bear-Strength Harness qualify as leveling gear. Leveling in 5 mans?

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Old 02/25/07, 2:51 PM   #149
Kazanir
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I'm curious how you think Supple Leather Boots, Ash Tempred Leggings, Verdant Gloves, Manimals Cinch, Umberhowl's Collar, and Bear-Strength Harness qualify as leveling gear. Leveling in 5 mans?
Yeah. These are items that are better for a bear *in raids* than any other pieces available (as long as you can get your crit-cap elsewhere.)

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Old 02/25/07, 3:51 PM   #150
Shiftir
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Stormscale
Pretty sure that was sarcasm Boevis.

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