Bear tank item comparisons - Page 11

Zyla · 02/25/07, 7:24 PM

Its possible that those items are simply an elaborate troll.

Exewut · 02/25/07, 8:25 PM

Originally Posted by Boevis

I'm curious how you think Supple Leather Boots, Ash Tempred Leggings, Verdant Gloves, Manimals Cinch, Umberhowl's Collar, and Bear-Strength Harness qualify as leveling gear. Leveling in 5 mans?

I should have been more specific.

What I meant was that blizzard stated multiple times that the gear you obtained while leveling wasn't your raiding gear (remember the complaints about the lack of spirit on cloth healing items).
Also it's rather obvious that the best tanking items are those few items (for there item budget) that you just summed up. Also, they are available from quests, which leads me to believe that it's blizzard intention for druids to tank while leveling up, and that they don't really have any intentions to add tanking gear in raids, since that's not there envisioned role of raiding ferals.
At least that's the feeling I'm getting. Tanking in 5mans, and in raids dps'ing/tanking some 'ARE YOU A BEAR?! YOU ARE NOT A BEAR *instagib*' kind of encounters.

[e] This does not mean I don't like tanking though, I simply love to tank in 5 mans and raiding groups. I'm just a pessimist. Instead of 'waiting for Godot' it should be 'waiting for Beartanking items'. Hehe

Zephro · 02/25/07, 9:51 PM

Originally Posted by Shiftir

They won't need to pretend bears don't exist, for all intents and purposes they WONT exist if itemization isn't fixed. Bears are viable tanks right now due to the shadowmoon equipment and stuff like the earthwarden / mark of tyranny / armor rings.

If these items aren't upgraded or we tried to tank in say.. our Tier 4 set + Heavy Clefthoof gear.....bears would be laughable.

Perhaps thats what they intend.

Well, they've got form.

This is exactly what happened in vanilla. Druid tanks were fine until the endgame began, and then they were worthless.

At least most of the Draenei/Blood Elf rerollers have hit 70 by now, so I can level my warlock in peace.

Cluey · 02/25/07, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Shiftir

*snip*
Cat set would feature str/agi/sta/crit/hit with hit being minor since we only need 5.6% hit. A good emphasis on str/agi on this set. 5 stats ensures we make the most out of our item points. No int/spi/+heal please.
*snip*

We need 8.6% to hit a +3 mob.

Shiftir · 02/26/07, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Cluey

We need 8.6% to hit a +3 mob.

Is this different for druids than say.... warriors? Because with a 2-hander a warrior only needs 6% hit (same 5.6%). Hunters need 8.6, but thats because of the weird penalties and different mechanics for ranged.

That said; I've got 5.9% hit in my tanking gear and I can't remember the last time I saw a miss.

Cluey · 02/26/07, 3:13 AM

Originally Posted by Shiftir

Is this different for druids than say.... warriors? Because with a 2-hander a warrior only needs 6% hit (same 5.6%). Hunters need 8.6, but thats because of the weird penalties and different mechanics for ranged.

That said; I've got 5.9% hit in my tanking gear and I can't remember the last time I saw a miss.

There was a lot of discussion in this thread which is now in the archives.
Warriors also need 8.6% to never miss with a two handed weapon now.

Meddler · 02/26/07, 4:56 AM

Originally Posted by Shiftir

That said; I've got 5.9% hit in my tanking gear and I can't remember the last time I saw a miss.

Any chance of a quick run down of what gear you're using for that? Been trying to get some +hit together for my own bear set but having trouble finding any on decent tanking pieces.

Shiftir · 02/26/07, 8:34 AM

Originally Posted by Cluey

There was a lot of discussion in this thread which is now in the archives.
Warriors also need 8.6% to never miss with a two handed weapon now.

Can you link to that thread? I did a search and all I found supporting the 8.6% number was you in a couple other threads saying the same thing.

Shiftir · 02/26/07, 8:45 AM

Originally Posted by Meddler

Any chance of a quick run down of what gear you're using for that? Been trying to get some +hit together for my own bear set but having trouble finding any on decent tanking pieces.

Just wearing helm of the claw with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24061, 2 of those also in my assassination shoulders, the usual quested high-armor gear (jerkin of untamed spirit, umberhowl's, verdants, manimals, ash tempered, supple). I try to gear for around ~20k armor and put dps gear into other slots. I'm wearing my dps cloak for example which has like 20 hit rating. For trash mobs in Kz I generally wear my full dps gear since dps doesn't give me time and I don't want to lose aggro (I suppose this won't even be enough post-nerfs).

Zyla · 02/26/07, 9:25 AM

Originally Posted by Zephro

Well, they've got form.

This is exactly what happened in vanilla. Druid tanks were fine until the endgame began, and then they were worthless.

At least most of the Draenei/Blood Elf rerollers have hit 70 by now, so I can level my warlock in peace.

I dinged 61 on my lock last nite

Cluey · 02/26/07, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Shiftir

Can you link to that thread? I did a search and all I found supporting the 8.6% number was you in a couple other threads saying the same thing.

I did link the thread in the post you quoted.
That whole line is a link.

Shiftir · 02/26/07, 10:41 AM

Interesting thread, I'm not sure I'd hard and fast conclude as you are from that that the hit cap is 8.6%; there were definitely some misses with people having more than 6% hit but interestingly nearly all of them were dual wielding. I wonder if there's some buggy stuff there.

I can say I'm leveling my warrior now and with 7% hit and a 2h and I haven't missed a single thing since I started after this nerf was announced and that was 2 days ago.

Meddler · 02/26/07, 7:19 PM

Originally Posted by Shiftir

Just wearing helm of the claw with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24061, 2 of those also in my assassination shoulders, the usual quested high-armor gear (jerkin of untamed spirit, umberhowl's, verdants, manimals, ash tempered, supple). I try to gear for around ~20k armor and put dps gear into other slots. I'm wearing my dps cloak for example which has like 20 hit rating. For trash mobs in Kz I generally wear my full dps gear since dps doesn't give me time and I don't want to lose aggro (I suppose this won't even be enough post-nerfs).

Ah, I'm using those slots for a mix of higher armour pieces (Thoriumweave cloak for example) and in the case of gem slots +defense gems since it's the most practical way for me to hit the crit immune cap at present unfortunately. Definitely have to try and work some of those gems in as soon as feasible though especially come the next patch and scramble for agro. Haven't found a need to wear any dps focused gear at all yet, trash or otherwise, but can certainly see it becoming well worthwhile (essenetial?) soon enough particularly given lacerate's complete lack of effect on most stuff there.

Shiftir · 02/26/07, 8:44 PM

Originally Posted by Meddler

Ah, I'm using those slots for a mix of higher armour pieces (Thoriumweave cloak for example) and in the case of gem slots +defense gems since it's the most practical way for me to hit the crit immune cap at present unfortunately. Definitely have to try and work some of those gems in as soon as feasible though especially come the next patch and scramble for agro. Haven't found a need to wear any dps focused gear at all yet, trash or otherwise, but can certainly see it becoming well worthwhile (essenetial?) soon enough particularly given lacerate's complete lack of effect on most stuff there.

Yea I wear bogstrok cloak for bosses. Thoriumweave is fine but I like the extra defense on the bogstrok. I also wear the revered violet ring and the shermanar great ring that drops off aran I think. Mark of tyranny is also a great tanking trinket - my druid never did the level 60 dungeons since I leveled up specifically for TBC so it was a no-brainer to take that over the blackhand's especially since I have hourglass of the unraveller and bladefists.

If the threat nerf goes through you'll probably be forced into even more dps gear than before, just to try to hold aggro. Which will cause me to take more damage, which will cause people to wonder why I'm in there, which will only hasten my exit from tanking on my druid.

Oh well, warrior dinged 62 a few minutes ago, at least they nerfed it now rather than 6 months from now when I'd be hopelessly behind.

Aamis · 02/26/07, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Zyla

Here we go:

Standard buffs, I can definitely push it higher with another rocket launcher and +12 sta to bracer. \

<3 my level 68 blue pants of 90 sta

There is no way that you have over 1000 stamina and 20k HP with standard raid buffs. Maybe with a Lung Juice, and Stamina food you could reach... close too that, but now with just a fortitude, kings and a mark. I have higher stamina gear and armor gear than you, and with standard raid buffs I only reach slightly over 16k HP and 20k armor... unless I'm missing something here I wanna know how your able to justify having that much stamina. I also have the entire Heavy Clefthoof set, which is the highest stamina leather set there is with the Solid Star of Elune in each blue slot, and Enduring Talasite in the yellow slots. http://ctprofiles.net/5137556 is my CT Profile, i'm just curious as too how your getting this 1000 stamina cause as far as i can tell, regardless of which gear your wear, it isn't possible.