Bear tank item comparisons - Page 12

Boevis · 02/27/07, 4:45 AM

Originally Posted by Aamis

There is no way that you have over 1000 stamina and 20k HP with standard raid buffs. Maybe with a Lung Juice, and Stamina food you could reach... close too that, but now with just a fortitude, kings and a mark. I have higher stamina gear and armor gear than you, and with standard raid buffs I only reach slightly over 16k HP and 20k armor... unless I'm missing something here I wanna know how your able to justify having that much stamina. I also have the entire Heavy Clefthoof set, which is the highest stamina leather set there is with the Solid Star of Elune in each blue slot, and Enduring Talasite in the yellow slots. http://ctprofiles.net/5137556 is my CT Profile, i'm just curious as too how your getting this 1000 stamina cause as far as i can tell, regardless of which gear your wear, it isn't possible.

Justify? Because he could

If you read a few posts above, I asked if any druids had pulled it off. I recently did with Mark, Imp, Fort, Kings, Mastery, and Food buffs. Why? Because I could ...

Averun · 02/27/07, 4:58 AM

20k is surprisingly easy, I am usually tanking Karazhan with about 18-19 and thats in favor of some mitigation/dodge gear. For my HP set I use:

Stylin' Purple Hat (45 stam)
Mark of the Ravenguard (40 stam) or Strength of the Untamed (27stam)
Shoulderpads of Assassination (25 stam + 2x12 stam gems)
Threaded elementium cloak (13 stam) yea yea i know...
Heavy Clefthoof vest (52 stam + 3x12 stam gems)
Umberhowl's Collar (22+4 all)
Wastewalker Gloves (33 + 2x12 stam)
Manimal's Clutch (24 stam)
Heavy Clefthoof Leggings (42 + 3x12 + 30)
Heavy Clefthoof Boots (37 + 12 + 2x12)
Iron Band of the Unbreakable (27)
Violet Signet (30)
Blessed Quiraji War Hammer (12)
Tuurik Torch of Stamina (46)

That totals 733 Stamina from naked + gear. With bloodpact, motw, fort, kings its very easy to go over 20k. So far the highest I have been is just under 24k with a flask and the regal protectorate activated. Had I had commanding shout at the time it would have been even higher.

Mind you a lot of this sacrifices mitigation, and I know I will be chided on putting so many stamina gems in, however I generally only use 1 or 2 of the clefthoof pieces, so they are really just there to boost my HP pool when neccesary.

Ultimately this level of HP is just silly stupid, however it does help with learning fights, as it allows a massive amount of healer wiggle room.

Aamis · 02/27/07, 6:52 AM

Originally Posted by Boevis

Justify? Because he could

If you read a few posts above, I asked if any druids had pulled it off. I recently did with Mark, Imp, Fort, Kings, Mastery, and Food buffs. Why? Because I could ...

Well ya with potions I could pull it off too, from my understanding he is talking about doing this with normal raid buffs, which simply isn't possible in the gear he has on.

Kink · 02/27/07, 7:07 AM

Originally Posted by Averun

20k is surprisingly easy, I am usually tanking Karazhan with about 18-19 and thats in favor of some mitigation/dodge gear. For my HP set I use:

Stylin' Purple Hat (45 stam)
Mark of the Ravenguard (40 stam) or Strength of the Untamed (27stam)
Shoulderpads of Assassination (25 stam + 2x12 stam gems)
Threaded elementium cloak (13 stam) yea yea i know...
Heavy Clefthoof vest (52 stam + 3x12 stam gems)
Umberhowl's Collar (22+4 all)
Wastewalker Gloves (33 + 2x12 stam)
Manimal's Clutch (24 stam)
Heavy Clefthoof Leggings (42 + 3x12 + 30)
Heavy Clefthoof Boots (37 + 12 + 2x12)
Iron Band of the Unbreakable (27)
Violet Signet (30)
Blessed Quiraji War Hammer (12)
Tuurik Torch of Stamina (46)

That totals 733 Stamina from naked + gear.

Originally Posted by Aamis

Well ya with potions I could pull it off too, from my understanding he is talking about doing this with normal raid buffs, which simply isn't possible in the gear he has on.

Fort, imp and kings will bring you to 1000 when you include base stamina as well. Thats without potions. Food buffs are not so weird as to not count to "standard" buffs either so that takes you over.

Now swap in some of the heroic stuff, Juggernaut neck for example, and it becomes easier.

Exewut · 02/27/07, 3:24 PM

20k hp is quite easy to reach even without going for max stamina gear, all you need is kings and to be a tauren, I'm actually still surprised how high our hp is compared to warriors, even though there gear seems to have quite a lot more stamina on it.

Zyla · 02/27/07, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by Aamis

Well ya with potions I could pull it off too, from my understanding he is talking about doing this with normal raid buffs, which simply isn't possible in the gear he has on.

gimme a sec, ill post the whole image. Stamina wise, there ya go. Mark, Fort, Kings, Imp and food and my gear.

Nixphoe · 02/27/07, 4:00 PM

Didn't want to start its own thread over this simple question; I've read a lot about the Armor and damage loss for bear tanks, but how does the +25% HP change affect from +25% Stam in dire bear form?

FunBall · 02/27/07, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by Nixphoe

Didn't want to start its own thread over this simple question; I've read a lot about the Armor and damage loss for bear tanks, but how does the +25% HP change affect from +25% Stam in dire bear form?

I've got 4274 unbuffed health and 84 stamina (white value) with SotF. So the health switch will cost me about 860 health. I would lose 300 health bonus from a Flask of Titans, or 375 health from a Flask of Fortification.

So you're looking at around 1200 less health from the same gear. It's a bigger PvP hit than a raid hit, since you'll have quite a few stamina buffs in a raid to compensate.

Kazanir · 02/27/07, 5:13 PM

Originally Posted by Zyla, Gnome Warlock

Alright Blizzard, you win.

Say it isn't so!

Aamis · 02/27/07, 7:08 PM

Originally Posted by Zyla

gimme a sec, ill post the whole image. Stamina wise, there ya go. Mark, Fort, Kings, Imp and food and my gear.

So thats not a Flask of the Titans with 1.28hr left on it?

Zyla · 02/27/07, 7:18 PM

Originally Posted by Aamis

So thats not a Flask of the Titans with 1.28hr left on it?

what does a flask have to do with stamina aamis? The flask is coincidental.

I could have gone even higher without the Earthwarden on.

And yes kaz, If i come back, I'll probably pick up my lock. My patience is gone.

Monsanto · 02/27/07, 7:22 PM

Originally Posted by Zyla

what does a flask have to do with stamina aamis? The flask is coincidental.

I'm just a casual observer to your discussion, but as an outsider, here's what it looks like:

You might be talking purely about how much stamina you can achieve, but what most people actually look at when you post your screenshots is your total health number. When people see your ~20k and see you talking about stam, they wonder how it is possible to achieve that much total hp with standard stam buffs.

Boevis · 02/27/07, 9:41 PM

I'm curious why people don't consider Titans a standard buff on tanks...

Monsanto · 02/27/07, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Boevis

I'm curious why people don't consider Titans a standard buff on tanks...

I'm sure they do, but since this last discussion was so focussed on stam and stam only, that's probably the source of this flap.

Zyla · 02/28/07, 9:07 AM

Go back and reread the conversation. People wanted to know who had breached 1k stamina. I posted a picture of me doing just that. This is retarded. News Flash: Flasks and pots don't add stamina. I seriously can't even understand the issue here. Are people being intentionally obtuse lately?