Bear tank item comparisons - Page 23

Malazaar · 04/17/07, 2:04 AM

Originally Posted by Maratai

You are correct Jitka...the Shermanar Ring is now the 2nd best Tanking ring, after the exalted Violet Eye Tank ring.

25 HEROIC BADGES wasted on the heroic tanking ring.

Cry.

The new Shernanar Ring is like 2% better than Unyielding Force (because of the Stamina). When it comes to mitigation, however, Unyielding Force is still slightly better.

So no way you wasted any badges.

Farstrider · 04/17/07, 2:39 AM

Originally Posted by Alandriel

Your problem here is that it's (1+(.01*pts in SotF), which is probably throwing your calculations off. Also, it's *10 at the end for total health.

Nah I had that bit right actually, just typed it wrong, but thanks for the below - I'd love to know the level 70 equation but if I use the below and check my own when I get home tonight, I'm pretty sure that will get me close to where I am supposed to be... Thanks!

Originally Posted by Alandriel

I haven't double checked my base stats in a while, but I have:
Str 73
Agi 75
Sta 82
Int 144
Spi 133
Health 3434
Mana 1379

as base values (before adding in HP/Mana from Sta/Int)

Umph · 04/17/07, 3:07 AM

Originally Posted by Jitka

Shermanar Great-Ring (gain 45 armor)
195 Armor, 33 sta, 20 def rating
http://www.thottbot.com/test/i28675

God damnit, we disenchanted this last week, I should have taken it >

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Farstrider · 04/17/07, 3:18 AM

Just another couple of itemization thoughts - has anyone actually been able to meet the gem requirements and make use of:-

Tenacious Earthstorm Diamond
+12 Defense Rating & Chance to Restore Health on hit
Requires at least 5 Red gems
Requires at least 5 Blue gems
Requires at least 5 Yellow gems
"Only fits in a meta gem slot."

Or do most people just figure that the hassle of the gem-shuffling (which I figure could only be achieved by using Warden's Haubker & a lot of Shifting Nightseyes) isn't really worth it, and stick with a Swift Skyfire (frees up the boots for +12 stamina)?

Boevis · 04/17/07, 4:37 AM

I use the +18 Sta. 5 Blue gems isn't exactly hard when every socket is a Solid Star of Elune. 20% Stun Resistance is also nice.

I figure some of you guys may appreciate this. This is completely unbuffed. Once I learn2fraps and get a decent video editor, I'll post a video of the final results.

Venomia · 04/17/07, 5:57 AM

Thats about 78% dodge full buffed if I count right? That would leave you pretty much only with crushings if I understand the mechanic correctly.

EDIT: After running the numbers through the simulator it seems that this would be actually quite viable tanking gear if you would be full buffed and boss would be debuffed with scorpid sting and swarm.

EDIT II: Or maybe not, forgot the lack of defense.. meh

Zeln · 04/17/07, 8:32 AM

Unless the heroic ring was already overbudget, I don't think it will be that unusual to see it getting buffed in a future build of the patch.... The purple violet signets seem to be out of wack versus the blue one.

Boevis, until you get your fraps on (Got a video camera? Somehow grainy video of you dodging everything has an appeal to me), can you post some of the combat stats you are seeing for fights wearing that gear?

Boevis · 04/17/07, 12:44 PM

It's going to be over 100% dodge fully buffed. I went and ran ZG

Crowbite · 04/17/07, 1:03 PM

You do realize that when this works, you're going to break the agi to dodge ratio. How can they not nerf it when it's proven a boss can't touch you. You're the ultimate Gruul tank now.

Edit; Now I'm curious as to what Gruul looks like at 24 or so grows.

Irshish · 04/17/07, 1:13 PM

Originally Posted by Tytal

You do realize that when this works, you're going to break the agi to dodge ratio. How can they not nerf it when it's proven a boss can't touch you. You're the ultimate Gruul tank now.

Edit; Now I'm curious as to what Gruul looks like at 24 or so grows.

Is there a cap to avoidance style defenses? I know in COH as a bubble defender with the right things I could push blasters to the COH Defense cap and we could do some crash stuff. But the cap still left a few % chance to be hit, you couldn't obtain 100% avoidance.

Karoo · 04/17/07, 1:27 PM

Any chance you could post a summary of the gear you are using for those of us unable to access armory?

Also as a side note. Wouldn't 100% avoidance kind of kill your ability to tank because of rage generation issues?

Zeln · 04/17/07, 1:48 PM

Checking his armory profile

Expedition Hood of Agility
220 Armor
+55 Agi
16 def/17 dodge enchant

Tanzanite Pendent of Agility
32 Agi

Dragonhawk shoulderguards of Agility
208 Armor
42 agi
15 def/10 dodge enchant

Murkblood Cape of Agility
69 Armor
29 agi
12 agi enchant

Warden's hauberk
238 armor
39 agi
30 sta
3x 8 agi gems
+6 all stat enchant

Expedition Bracers of Agility
118 Armor
31 Agi
No enchant

Crystal-Edged Warstaff of Agility
44 Agility
35 Agi enchant

Wasterwalker Gloves
183 armor
32 agi
33 sta
2x 8 agi gems
+15 agi enchant

Dragonhawk Belt of Agility
156 armor
42 agi

Skulker's Greaves
278 armor
28 agi
22 sta
3x8 agi gems
+24 dodge rating
+35 stamina and 12 agi armor kit

Nimble foot treds
201 armor
32 agi
24 sta
25 dodge rating
+12 agi enchant

Amber Band of Eluding
21 dodge
21 agi

Delicate Eternium Ring
25 agi
15 sta
16 dodge

Alchemist stone
Frostwolf Insignia Rank 6

edit: totally unbuffed in bear form he has 7890 health

Quasar · 04/17/07, 1:52 PM

I swear I saw a Blue post (Hortus perhaps) that said there is always a chance the mob will hit you, i.e. 100%+ avoidance isn't precisely 100%+.

Juno · 04/17/07, 2:08 PM

Originally Posted by Boevis

It's going to be over 100% dodge fully buffed. I went and ran ZG

Very very interested in this. Please post a vid as soon as you can. Love special stuff like this.

Boevis · 04/17/07, 3:14 PM

Originally Posted by Tytal

You do realize that when this works, you're going to break the agi to dodge ratio. How can they not nerf it when it's proven a boss can't touch you. You're the ultimate Gruul tank now.

Edit; Now I'm curious as to what Gruul looks like at 24 or so grows.

I'm not worried about a nerf. Patch 2.1 will make this completely impossible since I'll lose access to Spirit of Zandalar, Ground Scorpok Assay, Elixir of Mastery, 20 defense from Elixir of Fortification ... Even with access to iLevel 115 "of Agility/Eluding" from the 2.1 outdoor content I don't think it would be possible. The +15% Agi from Zandalar is a rather huge gap to fill (148 agi iirc)

But honestly, would it be so bad if Blizzard looks at this and thinks "oh my god, we've created a monster!" Our class mechanics are bogus, we can reach the "OMFG Numbers" that other classes dream about (except moonkin) yet in the end it means little when we are inevitably sub-par in every role except gimmicks, I'm tired of gimmicks.