I'd love to see some profile links of bear tanking gear.
We asked our one raiding druid (lol) to respec feral (extra lol) as he is always online and our other lvl 70 tanks are not =/. He has mostly DPS gear though, he also levelled taking the resto rewards as he figured he would be resto at lvl 70.
So ideally a list of non quest reward great bear tanking items would be perfect, but if folks who have "ideal" stats could post profiles, I could mix and match and find a nice balance.
Ideally high armour +hps is what we want. Crit immunity is a plus, but the hp/armour is priority 1 as with enough of those, the crits are easy to deal with anyway.
The first page of this thread is a great resource, so mainly just stuff that was missed on there is what I am after =). Also high sta/armour pieces =)
There is light at the end of the tunnel.
The only problem is, it's often an incoming train.
This may sound strange, but I'll argue against crit immunity - at least as far as to say that it isn't the most important statistic to me. As you can see, I've only casually applied defense to my setup. I have 2-3 different items for each slot which I shift in and out of depending on the situation. Easy Examples are Higher hp/Armor on strong hitting bosses, more dodge depending on the skill of my healers, and actively reducing my dodge when tanking in 5 mans to maximize rage generation. If I'm really paranoid about crits, I'll swap in Cowl of the Remorseless CoT enchanted for 17def/30 resilience to ensure the crit immunity. I haven't been crit in recent memory, even below the supposed limit. Honestly, I think you're doing really well if you're under 1% chance to be crit. Its not worth giving up agi/sta or armor unless the given piece is already the best in its slot for other reasons. (Violet signet/Earthwarden)
+Hit is semi-important, tierce. 99% of other peoples deaths in places I tank are from aggro from miss strings or a complete whiff on the first mangle/maul. That being said, I don't think I have more then 2-3% +hit. Over time, it really doesn't matter, as the bear threat far out paces everyone given a few seconds. Those first few critical seconds are where that +hit comes into play. That being said, keep in mind your specials have a hit bonus at all times, and after the first few swings you're probably solidly yellow damage from there on out.
15 agi > threat gloves by a wide margin. Bear aggro is already really high, and the mitigation you get from the 15 agi is now more then ever, huge.
Honestly, about 60% of my tanking gear has come from the quest lines. For tanking, you might want to have him look into the assassination set, as it has good sta and agility. The Earthwarden or the ghetto braxxis slumber staff can go a long way to making up the armor difference.
Off the top of my head I use: (Situationally)
Cowl of the Guiltless (CoT Enchant) / Guise of the Devourer (8agi)
Mark of The Ravenguard / Strength of the Untamed
Sun-Gilded Shoulder Caps (Needs Replacement)
Burnoose of Shifting Ages (12agi)
Warden's Hauberk (3 +8agi gems/6 to stats) / Nicklewinkle's Harness Experiment (+150 health)
Cenarion Expedition Tabard (Matches perfectly with most tanking gear)
Orange Martial Shirt (Stylin)
Quraji Execution Bracers (+4 stats)
Gloves of the Hidden Temple (+7agi...go go laziness!)
Manimal's Cinch / General's Dragonhide Belt
Ash Tempered Leggings/Clefthoof Hide Leggings/90 Sta Blue pants (+30sta/10agi)
Zierhut's Lost Treads/Supple leather Boots (12sta on both)
Heavy Dark Iron Ring
Revered Violet Signet
MoT
Rocket Launcher
Earthwarden
I do see myself gearing with as much tier 4 as possible. In many of the slots it is a sidegrade, which is fantastic because of the increased utility of the pieces.
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Zyla, International Man of a Certain Standard.
Originally Posted by Wraithlin
What have you brought to this discussion? The usual vacuous and contentless tripe that you contribute to these forums - no more and no less.
Violet Signet
Iron Band of the Unbreakable
CoT Head enchant
Strength of the Untamed
Earthwarden
Heavy Clefthoof Chest, Heavy Clefthoof Legs (pondering switching legs for boots) with a mix of stam and defense gems.
Pondering going 2 piece PVP set for the 35 resilience bonus. Shoulders and 1 other piece.
As for being crit at <1%? I know I died to a crit from the first boss in Arc once because I switched in some shadow gear and that put me at 0.16% chance to be crit.. They do happen still, and often most when you least want them to.
A quick question from a relatively new druid tank (2 yr's resto previously). My understanding is 415 is the Defense rating I need to hit, and resilience points count for 1.5 DR points. Is this accurate? Also, will that amount of defense/resilience totally mitigate crushing blows? I'm sitting now at around 19k health buffed in raids (food, drink, fort, blood pact, mark...no flasks or anything) and 19.5k armor. Worked fine up through Opera for main and off tanking karazhan, but Romulo was crushing me way too much, couldn't keep up.
Crushing has nothing to do with defense orestus. For every level the mob is over you they have an innate 5% chance to crush you. This means on raid bosses its 15% chance at all times. For your setup, I would honestly go for more Armor. It is way better to have 16k life /24k armor then 19/19.
Melth, I know it does happen, but I doubt my healers could tell the difference anyway :D. Doing malchezzar with 3 healers is an exciting prospect. Haven't seen a seat of the pants rollercoaster ride like that in a long time. honestly, Patchwerk doesn't even compare. At least he was predictable. Good lord the prince just goes apeshit.
Originally Posted by Apate
Zyla, International Man of a Certain Standard.
Originally Posted by Wraithlin
What have you brought to this discussion? The usual vacuous and contentless tripe that you contribute to these forums - no more and no less.
Could those of you who have made it to crit immunity please list what you are using?
I have been going through the options and I am not convinced its not more of a compromise than just using the traditional best druid item in the spot.
There are only four leather items with +defense skill rating on them.
Expanding on them to list all items greater than ilvl 90 with defense skill rating which a druid can use you get this list.
Are you going for 12 stamina or 12 defense rating enchant on your bracers?
Read my post two spaces up. I sacrifice the "traditional" high armor items in the chest and boot slots, mostly because I consider the gains in those slots marginal against the stam, def, and socket upgrades from Clefthoof. The nice thing is that the best neck and rings already have def rating, but are still the best otherwise due to stam/armor/dodge. Also, make sure you're getting enchants on your head and shoulders with +def, and a couple gems should fill you out nicely.
On a mob that could crit me for ~12k (Maulgar wheeeee) I find the sacrifice to be uncrittable worth it.
'War' is too small a word for what I'm fighting. Like a candle in front of the whole burning Sun. Now, I am not going to die today. I have other projects, and other options.
490 is the new 70 vs. 73 Defense requirement for crit immunity.
I decided against the heavy clefthoof pieces. Instead, the two pieces of PVP gear provide 35 resilience as a bonus (which is almost 1% crit immune). The shoulders rank fairly high on the tanking list anyway; the other piece...just depends on what works for you and your existing gear.
If Blizzard would replace the int/spi on our Tier 4 feral head/shoulders (as excellent tanking peices do not exist for these slots in any case) with defense rating, or alternatively hit rating/crit rating, they'd be worth looting over people who have good upgrades for those slots.
490 is the new 70 vs. 73 Defense requirement for crit immunity.
I decided against the heavy clefthoof pieces. Instead, the two pieces of PVP gear provide 35 resilience as a bonus (which is almost 1% crit immune). The shoulders rank fairly high on the tanking list anyway; the other piece...just depends on what works for you and your existing gear.
415 for Bears with 3/3 Survival of the Fittest, 490 otherwise.
I plan on upgrading chest and shoulders to the Gladiator set as soon as I can gladiate myself enough points. The resilience bonus is much more effective and the shoulders are the best out there. This will allow me to go back to boots with more armor than Clefthoof, which is then key.
'War' is too small a word for what I'm fighting. Like a candle in front of the whole burning Sun. Now, I am not going to die today. I have other projects, and other options.
I find that resilience is much better then defense, because it is tremendously easy to get, and with even small amounts, you can really knock down your chance to be crit.
Originally Posted by Apate
Zyla, International Man of a Certain Standard.
Originally Posted by Wraithlin
What have you brought to this discussion? The usual vacuous and contentless tripe that you contribute to these forums - no more and no less.
I'm trying to find out where a particular feral staff drops and its not listed on any of the sites I use thott/allah/wowhead, so I wonder if anyone here has seen it drop. Its almost surely from a heroic:
There is a comment on thott about it dropping from underbog, but I've run it a few times and not seen this. I'm skeptical that it drops there since there is already the blue Leviathan staff from there, and heroic underbog has a number of kills listed, so I would have imagine it would be seen. My pure guess is that this staff drops off something more exotic like Mana Tombs, Sethekk, or some of the TK instances that people don't run as much. For example, the leather legs I got yesterday in sethekk don't even exist at all in wowhead http://www.thottbot.com/?i=60429 / http://www.wowhead.com/?search=forestwalker
Does anyone have a reliable idea of where it drops?
Cobrascale Hood requires a primal nether, 36 other primals, 10 cobra scales... its much easier to get the Stylin Purple Hat but Helm of the Claw with a meta-gem (+18 sta) and a blue quality gem is better than Stylin Purple Hat
Cobrascale Hood requires a primal nether, 36 other primals, 10 cobra scales... its much easier to get the Stylin Purple Hat but Helm of the Claw with a meta-gem (+18 sta) and a blue quality gem is better than Stylin Purple Hat
This I don't see.. If sticking to the socket bonus, you'd be looking at only an extra 24 stam (and some defense, or agi or whatever you choose) Taking you to a similar stam level, but without the huge dodge you get from AC on Stylin' Purple.
Looking again at the Gladiator's set, using 4 pieces (keeping Verdant Gloves) with Kara ring, heroics ring/neck, Earthwarden, and the appropriate head/shoulder enchants gives you 4.5 Anti crit before you even ponder gems, with this sort of figure you could look at dropping points in survival of the fittest (or maybe keep it for when you need to wear resist gear or similar)
Looking again at the Gladiator's set, using 4 pieces (keeping Verdant Gloves) with Kara ring, heroics ring/neck, Earthwarden, and the appropriate head/shoulder enchants gives you 4.5 Anti crit before you even ponder gems, with this sort of figure you could look at dropping points in survival of the fittest (or maybe keep it for when you need to wear resist gear or similar)
Which means it's overkill. Of course you're going to keep SotF, and you should trade out to items with more offensive stats rather than even more anti-crit which you don't need. A couple peice of gladiator for the set bonus or to fill in low-armor slots (head, shoulder) are great.
Overkill, yes. But all 4 of those pieces are quite nice in their own right, even ignoring the resilience factor. The availability of an 18 stam metagem leaves the helm at the top of my list. The shoulders are of similar value, although the blue sockets on Malorne are nice for boosting stam (ignoring T5 for now) I prefer the legs over Ash-Tempered for the extra stam and dodge, and the Chest piece outclasses the other options. Obviously there will be a priority on what order I would acquire the pieces, but overall, even without the resilience I would have these 4 pieces in my general purpose bear kit.
You might be right.. the armor on the chest is quite good and the head/shoulders are fine since there aren't high armor options for those slots. Toss in the pants since you're only giving away 500 armor or so to ash tempered and you've got the 4-peice bonus in quite decent gear.
I'm trying to find out where a particular feral staff drops and its not listed on any of the sites I use thott/allah/wowhead, so I wonder if anyone here has seen it drop. Its almost surely from a heroic:
There is a comment on thott about it dropping from underbog, but I've run it a few times and not seen this. I'm skeptical that it drops there since there is already the blue Leviathan staff from there, and heroic underbog has a number of kills listed, so I would have imagine it would be seen. My pure guess is that this staff drops off something more exotic like Mana Tombs, Sethekk, or some of the TK instances that people don't run as much. For example, the leather legs I got yesterday in sethekk don't even exist at all in wowhead http://www.thottbot.com/?i=60429 / http://www.wowhead.com/?search=forestwalker
Does anyone have a reliable idea of where it drops?
I'm trying to find out where a particular feral staff drops and its not listed on any of the sites I use thott/allah/wowhead, so I wonder if anyone here has seen it drop. Its almost surely from a heroic:
There is a comment on thott about it dropping from underbog, but I've run it a few times and not seen this. I'm skeptical that it drops there since there is already the blue Leviathan staff from there, and heroic underbog has a number of kills listed, so I would have imagine it would be seen. My pure guess is that this staff drops off something more exotic like Mana Tombs, Sethekk, or some of the TK instances that people don't run as much. For example, the leather legs I got yesterday in sethekk don't even exist at all in wowhead http://www.thottbot.com/?i=60429 / http://www.wowhead.com/?search=forestwalker
Does anyone have a reliable idea of where it drops?
It drops from Warp Splinter in heroic Botanica.
It figures. <_<
'War' is too small a word for what I'm fighting. Like a candle in front of the whole burning Sun. Now, I am not going to die today. I have other projects, and other options.
Cobrascale Hood requires a primal nether, 36 other primals, 10 cobra scales... its much easier to get the Stylin Purple Hat but Helm of the Claw with a meta-gem (+18 sta) and a blue quality gem is better than Stylin Purple Hat
This I don't see.. If sticking to the socket bonus, you'd be looking at only an extra 24 stam (and some defense, or agi or whatever you choose) Taking you to a similar stam level, but without the huge dodge you get from AC on Stylin' Purple.
Looking again at the Gladiator's set, using 4 pieces (keeping Verdant Gloves) with Kara ring, heroics ring/neck, Earthwarden, and the appropriate head/shoulder enchants gives you 4.5 Anti crit before you even ponder gems, with this sort of figure you could look at dropping points in survival of the fittest (or maybe keep it for when you need to wear resist gear or similar)
Does it strike anyone else how silly it is that druids are looking at the Raid equivalent level gear, provided by the arena system, to tank in raids?
Could those of you who have made it to crit immunity please list what you are using?
KoT revered head enchant (16), Mark of the Ravenguard(17), Gilded Thorium Cloak(21), Shoulderpads of Assassination with 2 yellow + def gems and the Scryer honoured enchant (21), Earthwarden(24), Violet Signet (14- honoured atm), Iron Band of the Unbreakable (17), Regal Protectorate (26 and a reactive heal), Adamantine figurine(32).
Pre- Karazhan I had the choice between getting some resilience, a Clefthoof piece or to use both trinket slots for def to reach crit immunity- I can't get Mark Of Tyranny restored so just used both trinket slots with + def. I'll swap out Adamantine figurine as soon as I get an Alchemist's Stone or better.
I don't know how I feel about crit immunity, I have enchants on almost everything but only 11892 hp, 24282 armour and 28.47% dodge unbuffed which feels decent enough for the first half of Karazhan, however I have absolutely nowhere near the HP levels of some people I've seen fully buffed and don't see many upgrades at all on the horizon.
Here's the problem I'm having... I leveled my druid really fast and didn't grab some of these choice pieces from quests with the high armor values because I didn't notice them as DPS upgrades. I'm wondering if I can still manage to make a set of viable tank gear without all of these choice quest rewards.
Notable things I -dont- have:
Verdant gloves
Umberhowl's Collar
Ash Tempered Leggings
Manimal's Cinch
Supple Leather boots
Jerkin of the Untamed Spirit
My gear that I'm sitting on right now looks like:
Head: Stylin' Hat with KoT chant
Neck: CE Revered one with stam dodge/def
Shoulders: Sun-guilded with exalted ench
Cloak: Thoriumweave with 12 agi
Chest: Talon with 6 stats
Bracers: Ruuan weald with 12 stam :(
Gloves: Old PvP gloves with 15 agi
Belt: A green BLAH of the beast (Gonna get the one from murmur)
Legs: Clefthoof
Boots: Clefthoof
I also don't have the tank violet signet one, I got the healing one as I thought I'd be healing at the time.
I am however a 375 Enchanter/375 jewelcrafter so I have some interesting options there, namely the serpent for 33 stam and the dawnstone crab, smoking hotm, etc.
I'm using a Staff of nat fury with 35 agi in the weapon slot.
What do you guys think I can do to improve?
Opinion is a medium between knowledge and ignorance.
Notable things I -dont- have:
Verdant gloves
Umberhowl's Collar
Ash Tempered Leggings
Manimal's Cinch
Supple Leather boots
Jerkin of the Untamed Spirit
The boots and chest I wouldn't personally be too worried about - I'd rate Clefthoof as viable for those slots. Legs a bit of a harder call but once again Clefthoof's a decent option particularly if you can get your armour higher using other slots.
The Bracers and Gloves though if I was in your shoes I must admit I be tempted to try and petition a GM to get them back. Certainly not the only option, PVP bracers and Wastewalker Gloves for example should make for a decent replacement, but nothing else around with close to those levels of armour.
02/12/07, 9:39 AM
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