I have been using gurgleblasters as my bible for gear mostly my tank gear. I am pre-Kara on this toon since he is my alt. But I showed the list to one of our main tank druids and he didnt quite agree with some of the gear selections.

Then I found this post where squiffy pretty much questions it also vs the spreadsheet. His post is rather old now so I am wondering is there a list out there that is updated or better to use?

I'm trying to gear my druid towards being able to off tank or main tank certain parts of Kara for offnights.

Since it's an item that people have asked about a lot either here or the other druid threads, Feral staff of Lashing recieved a minor buff with the latest patch:

300AC, 36str, 35agi, 34 Stam, 588 Feral AP.

Changes to Gladiator gear are pretty minor as well.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...01923301&sid=1 is also an alternate source of information.

Bear (sorry) in mind that both lists are slanted towards the authors bias but Hugehoss is fairly well known and that between both lists and your own slant on how you want to be able to tank you should be able to make pretty informed choices.

Better than Resilience in total. Not better point for point than agility. Not better point for point than dodge rating, or combinations of any two avoidance stats.

Better point for point, only if you need to be crit immune, but it takes a lot more points to get there.

And some items do have resilience and agility, those, are often very good. Others with resilience are very good if they free up other spots with 'weaker' anti-crit items for strong stam/avoidance/armor bits.

True min-max is a lot more than finding individual items that are better, but often trading off and using a couple inferior items (say with resilience over defence) in order to be able to use significantly superior items elsewhere.

At a glance, it seems to me that Hugehoss is significantly undervaluing Stam. This could be his own bias or it could be that he's assuming full raid buffs and an already-high level of base gear...but seriously folks, Stam = 6.06 and Agi = 11.5? Come on now.

I know I'm gonna argue with Boevis about this until we are blue in the face (he's Mr. Agility if y'all didn't know) but tanking stats are not about overall reduction to incoming damage. You can reduce incoming damage in any number of ways -- mitigation, crit immunity, avoidance. All of those are great and stamina doesn't help you one bit. But it's not the measure of what makes a great tank. A great tank's gear is defined by three things:

a) How hard is he to kill?
b) How much threat does he generate?
c) How hard is he to heal?

Avoidance and mitigation help somewhat with part A. However, in that department, which is the MOST important to any tank, Stamina is absolutely king. Stamina mitigates absolutely no damage but it prevents more tank deaths than any other stat. If you are tanking anything that deals enough damage to kill you (including in circumstances where mobs enrage, healers get interrupted, the raid also needs heals, mobs have majorly large specials or crushing blows, mobs deal magic damage, whatever) then Stamina is far and away superior at preventing you from dying to any other stat (excepting maybe crit immunity) followed closely by (against physical damage) armor.

Threat is decided for a bear by Strength and Agility. Note that lately many bears are rage-starved, meaning that Agility gains because it increases incoming rage per second via white damage crits AND Primal Fury. This makes Agility simply awesome for bears because it is both great avoidance (hi, Megadodge) and also a truckload of threat all in one package. Strength can be safely ignored because of the AP on every tanking weapon nowadays. Stack Agi if you can.

Mitigation and Avoidance together determine how hard you are to heal. On a long, tank-healing-intensive fight, this might be important if healers are really struggling to keep you up without running out of mana. In that case, if you can afford to sacrifice the stamina, then it's appropriate to stack more agility/defense/dodge/whatevertheheck in order to get hit for less in the long run (even though the individual hits might do more damage. But this ONLY works if you aren't in danger of dying due to a bad string of crushes or specials or spells or lack of heals. Otherwise, as noted, Stam is still king.

This is why I can't stand lists of gear for tanking. One has to realize that Stamina is far better than every other stat until you have enough of it that you aren't in any danger of death on an encounter. After that point, the normal evaluation done by TankPoints (i.e. to maximize damage mitigated/avoided over time) kicks in, but not before.

Well, it's kinda hard to make real comparisons between Resilience and Defense right now because there honestly aren't any places where you could trade Defense for Resilience in one place, and Defense for Agility in another ... the +Armor/Def/Sta rings are always going to be the best unless Blizz actually itemizes us properly using Resil/Agi/Armor/Sta.

I certainly don't agree with Hugehoss's list ... Forestheart isn't better than Umberhowl by that much, and he lists "Of the Monkey" items higher than I'd ever consider them, though to be fair, they are really good if you can get them.

Kaz is very right about one thing, If there is some combination of gear that allows you to never be 2-shot from full health ... wear it, even if the dodge sucks, having enough Armor + HP to survive a 2-shot trumps avoidance. There really isn't going to be "A List" of items that you should be wearing or you suck, for most of our slots ...

That being said, many items (Wastewalker Gloves, Wardens Hauberk, Nimble-Foots) currently have higher Sta, much higher Agi, and comparable Armor to their Heavy Clefthoof (lol+Sta sockets).

To Roquer: The problem is that his assumption you won't die to back to back crushing is a fallacy when you consider some of the items he ranks have very low Sta (ex. Dextrous Manipulation) and as I will attest, being immune to a 2-shot is never a guaratee.

I like hugehoss's list because of the assumptions it makes.

1) you have at least 415 defense, after which point, defense becomes less valuble.

2) you will be in a raid environment where you will have blessing of kings

3) you will have the requisite amount of hp for the particular encounter so that you aren't in danger of dying to back-to-back crushing blows.

With these assumptions, you can rank gear purely on the amount of incoming damage that is negated, which is FAR easier to measure and compare empirically,

We already have one of those in this thread (back around page 6 I think). Unfortunately Skytor has not updated it recently but the basis of the spreadsheet itself is what I have been using for a while.

A little late here, but that thing just never dropped for me. I make do with the Mok'Nathal Clan Ring from normal Ramparts. It's not quite as nice but it has +resilience instead of +def.

Ok. I posted this a while back in the Benefactor's Bar, but never posted it here for fear of criticism for its failings. However the following sheet allows you to do exactly what you say here - it will not have all the gear you are probably looking for, however you can just overwrite various options to the right.

Sheet 1 has current stats, sheets 2 & 3 use what I believe are correct for the next patch.

Any help/suggestions/corrections would be much appreciated.

Thanks for the reply, Currently (from what I recall) I have about 16.5K armor, 12.5k Health, 411 Defense, 23 dodge, 23 crit, about 1100 AP. That's with no raid buffs. I still need to get a few trinkets the armor ones and work on earthwarden.