Bear tank item comparisons - Page 49

• Chicken · 05/20/07, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Liar

Do we know where the recipe for Necklace of the Deep drops yet or is it trainer learnt? If so, does it require any reputation to be able to purchase it?

All the new Jewelcrafting designs that require Jaggal and/or Shadow Pearls are simply bought from the trainer with no reputation requirement.

The other ones, with the exception of the epic craftable gems, are still a mystery though.

orionshock · 05/21/07, 7:17 AM

... wow, first i must say i that i was told that you guys are the best in the math for stuff.. boy was my source wrong about that...i hate ur forums and methods of relaying information, the OP needs to be shot several times just wow its completely hard to read unless you sit down and digest almost 3 pages of Mathematical Bullshit that if u calculated you need to be shot too.

has anyone factored in PvP gear? or New Raid Instance Loot tables? if not than this information is dated and worthless as well.

and has anyone bothered updating the first post - it seems bit dated.

---and no im not willing to read though the 15pages of BS in between.

sorry if this sounds offensive but i though i'd point out the obvious.

Entropie · 05/21/07, 7:34 AM

Originally Posted by orionshock

... wow, first i must say i that i was told that you guys are the best in the math for stuff.. boy was my source wrong about that...i hate ur forums and methods of relaying information, the OP needs to be shot several times just wow its completely hard to read unless you sit down and digest almost 3 pages of Mathematical Bullshit that if u calculated you need to be shot too.

has anyone factored in PvP gear? or New Raid Instance Loot tables? if not than this information is dated and worthless as well.

and has anyone bothered updating the first post - it seems bit dated.

---and no im not willing to read though the 15pages of BS in between.

sorry if this sounds offensive but i though i'd point out the obvious.

If you want other people to do stuff for you, or just read out tabs, I'd suggest you visit either forums.worldofwarcraft.com or druid.wowwiki.com. You might find several tables there which you can read out and follow.

On the topic of the necklace of the deep. I'm still waiting for it to be nerfed or it's costs to be increased. Even with the buff to the juggernaut, the difference is not worth 25 badges. You can easily make two, with one for mitigation and one for stamina.

with 2 solid stars : 2 agi & 11 sta versus 22 defense.

Farstrider · 05/21/07, 7:49 AM

Banned too quick for me to give negative rep or report!

On a seperate note, the necklace of the deep is very nice, however I dislike it for 2 reasons. First because necklaces with gem socketts are going to make me have to redo my spreadsheet, and second because necklaces with gem sockets just seem, wow, kind of imbalanced I guess - at least that one does. I mean if you put 2 +18 healing gems in it, you've got a helluva healing necklace, even with the comedy +21 agility. Neckpieces seem to be one of the more "controlled" slots in terms of what they want to do with the itemization, and giving people that level of customization seems to fly in the face of that.

Cronjob · 05/21/07, 3:37 PM

Well I think I am finally where I want to be give or take a few items here and there. My stats are roughly 18k armor, 15k health, 412 defense, 1118 AP. I got a few trinkets and ring combos I can use to either increase my armor but decrease my AP a bit, decrease my armor but increase my AP or increase my armor and HP but decrease my AP. I think I have a few other combos I havent tried yet...

SO my question is for a pre-kara gear Druid such as myself. What is the AP I should be at? I want to regem some items for more agil + stam instead of stam + Defense. Also I want to figure out which is the best combination given the items I have so far but I am not sure what AP I should be at self buffed.

Feorthas · 05/21/07, 3:49 PM

On a related vein, somewhat piggybacking on Cronjob's question, how many hitpoints should a pre-Tier 4, 2pc* Gladiator Bear have and/or how many are needed?

Right now, without raidbuffs, I believe I crack 21500 armor, roughly 25-27% dodge (+/-1%), and 12k HP--at this point, everything feels fine but I'm definitely not running around with the raw numbers, in either dodge or hitpoint totals, that quite a few appear to be and it's bugging me a bit. Am I just stacking my stats poorly at this point or is favoring the insanely armor quest rewards (Verdant Gloves, Manimal's Cinch, etc. etc.) over lower armor epics (with higher stats) hurting me more than helping?

For what it's worth, I appear to be able to nearly match our two Prot warriors hitpoints-wise with raidbuffs but it just ~feels~ like I should be past them by at least a little bit, going by the totals that everyone else is posting.

*I have the points for a second piece but haven't decided which one yet--waiting for 2.1 to hit and/or have T4 become finalized before risking a bad purchase.

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Cronjob: 1100 AP sounds fine for bear to me; what's your crit/dodge like?

Zeln · 05/21/07, 3:59 PM

Is your ctprofile at all current?

Way too much wow 1.0 stuff. So many of your items have no agility on them, and are easily eclipsed by newer items. Also, not sure what your aim is, but I think you only have like 34 defense rating which makes you critable by 70+ mobs.

Feorthas · 05/21/07, 4:04 PM

Originally Posted by Zeln

Is your ctprofile at all current?

Way too much wow 1.0 stuff. So many of your items have no agility on them, and are easily eclipsed by newer items. Also, not sure what your aim is, but I think you only have like 34 defense rating which makes you critable by 70+ mobs.

It is stupidly out of date if you're referring to mine. Judging by my armory-sig, I'd have to say that my DPS gear is on but that should give you the approximate level of gear that I have.

Tanking CTProfile is relatively up to date but some gems may be slightly off. It also appears that I'm missing a good 500-1000 hitpoints & 250-500 armor in caster but I could be off by a few due to the sheer amount of playtime spent raiding lately.

Here are my unbuffed, raw stats (Bear):
-194 Str :: 1336 AP
-307 Agi :: 27.86% Dodge :: 24.48% Crit
-774 Sta :: 11.3k HP :: Uncrittable
-21304 Armor
-43093 Tankpoints

Cronjob · 05/21/07, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by Feorthas

Cronjob: 1100 AP sounds fine for bear to me; what's your crit/dodge like?

I believe 23% dodge and crit. I might be a bit off. I'll look when I get home (forgot to bring my post it with my stats on it back from lunch)

There again I can tweak ring/trinket/re-gem to gain some crit and dodge but I wasnt sure if my HP, Armor and AP were ok. I can pretty much guess my HP is fine where I am sitting and my defense is ok too. But I was really worried about my AP and I know my armor could always be better I dont have the CE Rep Mace yet.

Eylirria · 05/21/07, 5:02 PM

Originally Posted by Cronjob

Well I think I am finally where I want to be give or take a few items here and there. My stats are roughly 18k armor, 15k health, 412 defense, 1118 AP. I got a few trinkets and ring combos I can use to either increase my armor but decrease my AP a bit, decrease my armor but increase my AP or increase my armor and HP but decrease my AP. I think I have a few other combos I havent tried yet...

SO my question is for a pre-kara gear Druid such as myself. What is the AP I should be at? I want to regem some items for more agil + stam instead of stam + Defense. Also I want to figure out which is the best combination given the items I have so far but I am not sure what AP I should be at self buffed.

First of all, point per point, we get the most out of +armor, both of your rings should have armor on them (Karazhan Ring + Heroic Ring is a good combo)

1100AP doesn't seem bad, you'll be pushing ~1300-1400 once you get your CE Mace, and you'll be mostly set.

Honestly, try bumping up your armor, 18k AC is a bit low for bears these days, and work out those last 3 points in defense if you're sitting at 0 resilience, right now, you're crittable by level 73/Boss mobs.

Feorthas · 05/21/07, 5:03 PM

Originally Posted by Cronjob

There again I can tweak ring/trinket/re-gem to gain some crit and dodge but I wasnt sure if my HP, Armor and AP were ok. I can pretty much guess my HP is fine where I am sitting and my defense is ok too. But I was really worried about my AP and I know my armor could always be better I dont have the CE Rep Mace yet.

Oh, if you don't have an Earthwarden I wouldn't worry about things all that much (caveat: as long as you're working towards one as your first major upgrade) as bears generate rather nice amounts of threat at moderate (~1k) AP totals. I'd swear that mine isn't much better, if at all better, than yours and pretty much everyone I've raided with agrees that they can go all out and not have to worry about threat (shadow priests are just about the only exception, of course).

jac · 05/23/07, 2:57 AM

I would love any confirmation of what mobs drop the Badge of Tenacity.

The Grog · 05/23/07, 4:18 AM

There is a 'new' crafted belt for ferals. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere yet. Pattern is off Morogrim. 10 life, 10 air, and get this 2 VORTEXES.

~430 armor
28 str
28 agi
28 sta
2 red sockets

I think, don't remember the stats exactly.

It's nice, but I figure I might get one in about 3-4 months after the 10 or so BS items all get upgraded.

Oh, and the item is BoE.

Korik · 05/23/07, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by jac

I would love any confirmation of what mobs drop the Badge of Tenacity.

Yeah, I have been farming up in BEM around Ogri'la for over 7 hours, sitting at like 300 Apexis Shards.. Did the depleted badges go live or am I wasting my time?

• sadris · 05/23/07, 9:58 AM

Originally Posted by Korik

Yeah, I have been farming up in BEM around Ogri'la for over 7 hours, sitting at like 300 Apexis Shards.. Did the depleted badges go live or am I wasting my time?

It is a random drop. Think of it like farming for a world BOE epic.