Bear tank item comparisons - Page 92

Zeln · 09/21/07, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Daenerys

Intensity is only really helpful to start an encounter

Tonight out of the 3 fights we did I used the benefits of Intensity in all of them at various points not during the start.

1. During Morogrim I tank the murloc adds. During the fight, I had to innervate the grave healer. Intensity gave me a lot more rage to swipe with as I was running down Murlocs. To be fair with how much agi I run with once I started swiping it fed itself.
2. During Al'ar I had to battle rez. Intensity gave me more rage after I went back into feral and had to chase down the adds.
3. On Void Reaver, every extra bit of rage helps when you are trying to get above shadow priests and shaman and dps warriors that have no aggro wipe capabilty (Anhking doesn't count).

Cluey · 09/21/07, 2:12 AM

I have intensity for both the additional rage it gives as well as the 15% mana regeneration while casting.
Due to us not having a huge roster I am sometimes called on to backup heal and without intensity mana can be a problem, I assume if you are in a situation where you are never asked to help on healing you could get away without it but the extra rage is still nice.

I used to have Natural Shapeshifter but after my last respec I left four points unspent to see if I really missed it, I didn't find myself short on mana so I put three of them into Primal Tenacity which I have a love hate relationship with.
I hadn't respecced since before the patch where they lowered our shifting costs so I thought I should try it out, I have also found I have more intellect now as I am picking up more set pieces.
I should note that I don't power shift, playing with 500ms average latency poses enough of a challenge

I put the fourth one into Nature's Grasp so I only have two points in Thick Hide but even at my gear level I have enough armour.

Weidekuh · 09/21/07, 5:49 AM

@junakit
Why fearward a priest? Fearward the shaman in the group and let him put down tremor totem right after the fear. 40 yard instant fear dispel !

'fear isn't going to be significant in tbc raiding' How i love blizzard. :p

Darkkazul · 09/21/07, 8:31 AM

Originally Posted by Cluey

I put the fourth one into Nature's Grasp so I only have two points in Thick Hide but even at my gear level I have enough armour.

Unless somehow your tanking gear is vastly better than your dps gear, you don't have enough armor...

Vaccine · 09/21/07, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by dukes

As I pointed out after that post, the scarab is 1.4% avoidance on top of the defence towards crit immunity. I'd much rather have the 1.4% avoidance from the Scarab and get a load of defence towards crit immunity than use the Pocketwatch (which is purely ~1.8% avoidance). Losing .4% avoidance and the slightly less useful activate is a lot better than switching out say the boots of the den mother for the PvP boots, for example, or the helm and shoulder enchants from DPS to tanking equivalents, IMO.

Fair enough, each to their own.

I just like the two trinkets working together to provide us with a much needed panic button as our class lacks one in this role.

I do often switch to [Brooch of the Immortal King] on fights where theres no chance I'll die to switch in some DPS gear as you said, but on stuff like MTing Morogrim or the Karathress Shaman I much prefer the ability to become extremely hard to hit for a short time to a little extra avoidance over time.

I'll pick the trinket up eventually to replace my brooch but only after no one wants it.

anathor · 09/24/07, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Weidekuh

But since i never ever had rage/aggro problems on any encounter i really don't see the necessity of it. Enrage alone gives you enough for 1 Mangle at the start anyways.

I like Intensity on fights where I have to stay 2nd on threat, or where I'm off-tanking, and where I can be rage starved. I can use enrage every minute for an instant 10 rage and click off the debuff when needed. "Powershifting" in bear form can be quite lethal :-)

And 15% mana regen is really good on fights where I need to shapeshift/cast spells often.

roquer · 09/25/07, 11:42 PM

we had a craptastic gruul kill tonight. 1st and second tank died at ~9%. I was only melee left alive, and at 18 growths was able to survive simultaneous melee hits and hurtfuls, barely. Improved Lay on hands put me over the armor cap, and I had ~21k health after commanding shout wore off. I shouldn't brag about such an ugly kill, but I thought it was cool.

SS_Keera · 09/26/07, 7:28 AM

Why are you running Gruul with three tanks?

@Bear itemization topic:

What do you guys think about the new Hyjal Trash cloak? An upgrade after [Phoenix-Wing Cloak] or rather an sidegrade?
I think the hitrating is quite nice for aggrosensitive fights but the lacks of defense makes me somewhat unsure.
The lack of bonus armor should be no problem with the numbers you should be running when entering T6 instances i think.
It would be really nice imho when the dodge rating would be replaced with agility though

Daenerys · 09/26/07, 8:32 AM

Originally Posted by SS_Keera

Why are you running Gruul with three tanks?

@Bear itemization topic:

What do you guys think about the new Hyjal Trash cloak? An upgrade after [Phoenix-Wing Cloak] or rather an sidegrade?
I think the hitrating is quite nice for aggrosensitive fights but the lacks of defense makes me somewhat unsure.
The lack of bonus armor should be no problem with the numbers you should be running when entering T6 instances i think.
It would be really nice imho when the dodge rating would be replaced with agility though

I was thinking about this last night when I first saw the new Hyjal cloak. I don't usually have issues with aggro, so I'm not sure the new cloak would really be much benefit to me. Our Warriors, on the other hand, could probably use the extra threat gen...

♦ masanbol · 09/26/07, 1:04 PM

I think a cloak like that is absolutely perfect for fights where we're offtanking in partial DPS gear or managing groups of adds that have to be tanked and killed quickly. Al'ar and Shade of Akama come to mind, but I can see it being really useful for Leotheras as well.

Boevis · 09/26/07, 8:59 PM

Yeah, that cloak boggles me, Hit/Dodge, no AP, Crit, Agi, Defense, Resil. Having only 3 stats and one of them being Dodge (really not desired by any class by itself)

Farstrider · 09/27/07, 7:30 AM

Given that cloaks are a reasonably low item-mod slot, I find it hard to justify using anything except [Resolute Cape]. Of all the BoE & self-craftable epics I've farmed the mats for, that is the one I have never ever regretted.

Just to clarify what I'm saying there - the new Hyjal cloak looks like a piece of junk to me, and even the [Phoenix-Wing Cloak] is a pretty underwhelming sidegrade. 21 resilience > 22 defense, dodge rating as people have pointed out is far too expensive vs agility, and I'd take 1300 extra armour over 7 extra stamina, and use the extra armour to let me put more dps gear in other slots (i.e. gloves).

spartakos · 09/27/07, 10:15 AM

21 resilience > 22 defense

Since when?

dodge rating as people have pointed out is far too expensive vs agility

Resolute Cape has no agility or avoidance if you prefer.

I'd take 1300 extra armour over 7 extra stamina

It depends on your gear many end-game geared druids say that they want to find ways to reduce their armor item points and use them somewhere else. Still dont know myself since i passed the T5 to prot warr and healers.

Farstrider · 09/27/07, 10:51 AM

Err since 22 defense provided 0.36% anti-crit (and 0.36% dodge) and 21 resilience provided 0.53% anti-crit.

Defense is the worst place to get your dodge. And yes Resolute Cape would be nice with some agility, but it's already fantastic.

You might want to start using some capital letters by the way.

Zeln · 09/27/07, 11:39 AM

Not to mention:
Resilience Rating: The reduction to the percent chance to get a critical strike now also reduces the damage dealt by damage over time effects by the same percentage.