Stigmata

I think I had only just got (30 minutes before) the helm and was playing around with the 4 Piece, so I was missing 5 crit rating and 12 agi, but other than that that about normal I guess.

I've got 30.36% on armory with motw/kings.

I dont recall seeing many people with higher than ~30% unbuffed crit?

 

Tristan

It's the successor of ShammySpy wich started out as a Totem Timer. I wanted timers that I could put in the midst of my screen that wouldn't interfere with the mouse (simply be click-through).

After reading this thread and getting a few requests from friends etc playing shamans it became a little more and included things like AEP, Reincarnation, Windfury cooldown tracker, Earth Shield tracker, Healing Way tracker etc.

I had wowace-wiki entries for most of my stuff but during the accident a while back most of it was lost. I've not yet put one up for Enhancer as I'm not 100% finished with everything.

As for your other request, I tried in an early version to include weighting of weapon speed aswell as min/max damage wich turned out poorly just skewing the totals and gave up.

Recently I've been thinking about min/max again though and decided as my next thing to assign a value to the difference in min/max damage. Assigning a small value that adds a little or removes a little based on max damage I think will be better then my other experiment.

Enhancer -Ace2- (Totem Timers, configurable AEP, Enhancement Itemization Points, GemPicker and more)
RaidSpy -Ace2- (Prints out the checks done by raid officers in chatframe)

 

Yo!

Sim calculates all buffs from buffs tab with added 10% if BoK is on but it does not calculate 10% bonus to str and agi from gear as I have no input for str and agi. So, the one way is ask pally for BoK and write down your stats and than select additional buffs from buffs tab or write down your stats while raiding and input them directly and disselect buffs except for BoK that has to be on if you have it on. Yes, sounds complicated.

Edit:
To simplify - if you are expecting BoK - turn it on and proceed filling other stats and buffs as usual.

Crazy Shaman's DPS & AEP calculator (c) Yo

 

◊ Malan

Edit - bah nvm I see what you mean now by not having a Str/Agi input.

I think the *absolute best* thing to do here (to simplify for the user, not really going to simplify it on your end unfortunately) is just to get the Armory import functional and just read all the values straight from there.

~Rocks, coming to a shaman near you in the next expansion~

 

Tristan

Anyway we can come around it? like entering Strength/Agility aswell into the form?

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RaidSpy -Ace2- (Prints out the checks done by raid officers in chatframe)

 

Tristan

The problem is if you enter your AP you are including AP from Str aswell as from Attack Power bonuses multiplying the total with 1.10 won't be correct as only the AP from strength will increase. Same ofc with Agi/Crit.

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◊ Malan

Yah I realized a moment after that we didn't have Strength as an input.

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Nemaa

Yo: Really nice work, thanks for all the stuff we requested!
-Can I ask an other buff: [Elixir of Major Agility]? It could be a "radio button" for either flask or this one.
-What about 2 more input fields near the kings buff switch for agility and strength?
-I don't really agree with the armory import unless you can fully import the buffs that my character had when logged out. I mean I can have differend AP for example with full buffs than with no buffs at all.

About the [Madness of the Betrayer]:
We can use an average AEP for the proc (0.25 for each armor penetration point). The trinket has a 40% uptime as I remember so the proc would be 0.25 x 300 x 0.4 = 30 AEP.
The value of the trinket should be 112 + 30 = 142 AEP for an average user.

 

Zerath

Read the first post. But, damnit, I had a great night last night so you get an answer from me.

19 crit =2*19=38
14 hit =1.4*14=19.6
14 ap =14
total = 71.6 aep

T6: 70ap =70aep

(This is just from the numbers you gave me. Excluding everything else.)

 

• Disquette

Tristan - thanks so much for enhancer. I'm having some trouble understanding the command syntax though. I read through the help menus in game, but a readme.txt would be super if you have an old copy lying around. Pretty much, what I'd really like to do is take Yo!'s output string, and import it into enhancer.

What is the specific syntax for doing so, and which of the lines in blue text on the tooltip reflects this? I'm sorry for being a dolt, but I feel a bit better now that I know why I haven't found the documentation yet.

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• Shabadu

I started using enhancer a couple weeks ago. I absolutely love the internal WF cooldown button, I stick it right next to my action bar and it helps having it near my SS to know when to hold off the extra second. The gear comparison part is great.

My only problem is that it seems to be inaccurate on tremor pulses, and there didn't seem to be any support for just a plain ole totem timer as it didn't cover my fire totems. If I had the option to time all totems in a simple 4 button row and add a little pulse cooldown in the middle, I'd get rid of gotwood completely. I'd roll the WFtotem mod into it too, since I use that to time twisting.

 

◊ Rob

Well, Warriors have a mediocre Crit:AGI ratio, gain 0 AP from AGI, and WF strikes grant extra rage. So if WF is better than GoA for Rogues, it is safe to assume that WF is better than GoA for Warriors.

That said, math quantifying the exact percent difference would be nice so we could answer questions like "I've got two rogues, a feral druid, a hunter, and me, what's better to drop?"

 

falonub

I think it was you, I was admiring your crit but did you drop some recently? I seem to remember you having more. I have 30.08% unbuffed now. I had 31.something% but then dropped I believe 2 of the +8crit gems I had for +4str/+4crit as I figured I could shoot for 30% unbuffed then focus on AP and keep my hit reasonable. I'm half way through revered with the Ashtongue Deathsworn, so I have a side question: Would you guys replace Hourglass of the Unraveller or Bloodlust Brooch for the Ashtongue trinket? I lost the Tsunami to a hunter that quit about 5 days after(and we've stopped doing SSC) and I never got a DST to drop. So for my end game trinkets I've been thinking about Madness of the Betrayer and Ashtongue trinket, but for now which of my two current would you guys replace, what are your thoughts?

 

• Tarnop

Alternatively, you could add inputs for Agility and Strength, then work out their contribution to the input AP and crit. Then, if BoK is selected, increase that contribution by 10%.

So the AP formula with BoK active would be: Input_AP + (2 * Str * 0.1) + contribution from other buffs

and crit would be: Input_Crit + (1/25 * Agi * 0.1) + contribution from other buffs

I realise this seems like making the user input duplicate data, but it keeps the rules for stat input a lot simpler.

 

• Shabadu

I dropped Hourglass for Ashtongue. Right now I either use Bloodlust/Ashtongue or Prism/Ashtongue. Prism has been invaluable for me, many fights I'm pretty harshly threat capped for one reason or another.

 

◊ Malan

Shab, since you've been using the Prism extensively, I had previously done some envelope calculations when its value was tweaked and estimated it as a 10% threat reduction for anyone sitting at around 30% crit. Do you find this to be reasonably true?

@Rob - I agree, but you know how it is, people will want to know the *exact* theorized gain for each class for each totem.

~Rocks, coming to a shaman near you in the next expansion~

 

Stigmata

Forest Prowler's Helm for T6.

I'd drop hourglass over BB personally.

And endgame trinkets will be ashtongue and madness if we ever get a madness drop.

 

• Shabadu

I'll have to try out the fights I've been using it on without it. I definitely feel a 10% difference on Naj'entus vs when I don't use it though. I've never NOT used it on gurtogg or council though, so I'll have to give it a try. I ride the threat cap on those with the prism as it is, so it'd be a pain.

 

Tristan

Your best bet would be to get DeuceCommander or the Waterfall-1.0 library from wowace which will provide you with a GUI instead of slashcommands making it immensly saner to toy with settings

The specific command to import a string would however be: /enh EPNumbers AEP CrazyShamanImport AP:10;STR:20;AGI:18;STA:0;CR:20;HR:14;HsR:15;RS:0;IA:10 if you are using a Revision prior to 48834 you'll have to remove the last semi-colon from the string created at Yo!'s simulator or you'll get an error. Last uploaded version on wowace has a check for it and will remove it automatically.

If you allready have Waterfall-1.0 present (from another addon for example) you can type: /enh Waterfall to open a waterfall GUI, personally I prefer DeuceCommander as it presents the menu in the order it was supposed to be but taste differs.

Unfortunatly I have no readme.txt neither (once I completed my current pieces I'll prio the wiki entry though) but here's a screenshot of Equivalence Points:

AttackpowerEP (inc BoK) would be the string that will change after an import from Crazy Shaman's DPS Calculator.

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RaidSpy -Ace2- (Prints out the checks done by raid officers in chatframe)

 

◊ Malan

Requesting a math check here since I screw this stuff up so often.
[Madness of the Betrayer]
Wowhead comments state a 1.5 ppm on Servants, 2.0-2.5 ppm in a raid environment using instants.
From the Uptime thread, calculating the passive value of the proc, assuming a 2.0 ppm and using -Armor as a 0.25 AEP value, should be done as:
2ppm * 10/60 = 0.3333 uptime * 300ArmorPenetration = 100 * 0.25AEP = 25 AEP for the proc.
If that's correct, then the trinket has a net AEP of 135. Still slightly below the Tsunami Talisman.

Did I do that correctly?
(Disclaimer: I fail at math and have illustrated that many times before on this forum)

~Rocks, coming to a shaman near you in the next expansion~

 

Shawndreya

Your math is correct, but I don't know that just doesn't look right to me. I'm stuck behind the mental barricade thinking it should be better than Tsunami since it's Illidan loot.