dzer

What do people think about enhance shaman cape choices?
Cape of darkreavers or vengeance wrap?

we've killed teron maybe 15times and never dropped the cape :/

 

Shawndreya

Right now i'm using darkreavers, but my goal is [Shadowmoon Destroyer's Drape].

I've heard good things about the cape that Moroes drops... [Royal Cloak of Arathi Kings]

 

dzer

yes i am using darkreavers as well, vengeance wrap is easily crafted tho and provides;
72ap 23crit 2hit (with epic gem)
vs
34ap 24agi(crit) 17hit

its a shame to loose the stamina tho

 

• Toots Hepcat

Malan -- in your "Why 2H isn't viable" section, you neglected to mention that dual wielding with two WF imbues raises the WF proc chance to 36% for either weapon, which is another good reason to dual wield.

 

Nemaa

Malan: You write this in the trinket section:
Would be good to correct "-100" to "-120". 120x0.25=30

 

◊ Malan

Gotcha, thanks!
<---- See my custom title for explanation.

Also added a small note in the 2H weapon area about the 36% proc rate.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

• Shabadu

I'm using a [Cloak of the Inciter] right now. Better than the Moroes cloak I feel, but worse than Dark Reavers. Probably going to get the VE craftable cape come the patch, since that'll be a Vengeance Wrap with Stamina.

As to weapon drop rates, we've seen a silly amount of Tides drop, and only 2-3 syphons. I got priority on the Syphons since it's our end game combo, while rogues have the Kael Mace and any number of swords and daggers; same for warriors.

 

• fangar

I kick myself for trashing my cloak of the inciter after I got the cloak off of Moroes (which i still use and think is trash). This was before I learned about the AEP values and was still full resto.

I'm just going to craft a Vengeance Wrap and deal with the sta loss for most fights and swap it out where were appropriate.

Same thing I do with my Celestial Archer bracers and my backup pair.

P.S. Malan I resocketed the one hit gem I had. Of course it cost me a ruby and a topaz to do it as I forgot about my RED requirement. So you owe me 70g

 

rava

I'm pretty sure it's just due to luck and the fact that Najen'tus and Supremus are the first two bosses in the zone. We've had 2 Syphons and 1 Tide drop after 100 years of killing the zone, it's all tankadin boots and frog hand shoulders.

 

Unaz

My guild's only killed Doomwalker once (nobody wants to get a raid together for it outside of just to say we killed him), and I lost his cloak to a hunter. :/

I have these as the top few enhancement cloaks for us though according to the values I use (included extras past top 5 for reference as to how far down each was):

[Shadowmoon Destroyer's Drape] (148 - Gorefiend)
[Thalassian Wildercloak] (126 - Kael'Thas)
[Black-Iron Battlecloak] (120 with no extra stats like stam - Doomwalker)
[Razor-Scale Battlecloak] (117 - Morogrim) <- I use this currently
[Vengeance Wrap] (114 - BoE from a world drop recipe)
[Cloak of the Pit Stalker] (109 - Magtheridon)
[Drape of the Dark Reavers] (107 - Aran)
[Blood Knight War Cloak] (96.1 - Heroic Badges)
[Cloak of the Inciter] (91.4 - Inciter from SL)

With [Royal Cloak of Arathi Kings] from Moroes way down the list at 83.2.

 

Stigmata

We have been killing supremus and najentus for 3 and a half months and have seen 1 Tide and 2 Syphons, luckily for me I got the priority on Syphons.

A slightly off topic whine is the loot available from Najentus and supremus, 14 and 13 available items respectively from bosses that drop 2 items max, it just seems stupid to have so many possible variances from bosses who only drop 2 items. Come to think of it all the bosses drop 12-15 items and only 2 at once, makes it so you can end up with the same shit everyweek.

We have had the same shitty pala healing chest for the last 3 or 4 weeks, each week being taken as incase it gets improved.

End rant, sorry for the OT.

 

Shawndreya

Well at least loot table is increasing it from 2 to 3. Or is that only for SSC/TK bosses?

Regardless, Shamans in most scenarios will have priority on syphons. Seeing as how we benefit most from dual wielding them.

 

• Toots Hepcat

Vengeance Wrap is great considering how simple it is to get. Given my guild's progress, I put the PvP award gem in it...I won't be trading it in until Lich King.

Big fan of Shard Bound Bracers for the same reason.

 

• Krish

Malan and Rob,

One item worth adding to the list of weapons for orcs: Netherbane - Items - World of Warcraft . As you probably know, it's getting a buff in 2.2 as well, and certainly seems better than one or two of the lower items on your existing list.

 

◊ Malan

Edit - wait, that's pretty much covered. There's better MHs than Netherbane and the OH section is a list of available OHs from outside of SSC/TK.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Morelis

The uptimes I'm using are what has been observed by testing in game, so yes all those other interactions are taken into account. The uptimes are also almost certainly a little inflated since they've been tested against lower level mobs which means the difference between the sim and reality is even larger than my testing would show.

It would be very useful if on your stats page you also reported uptime on the various procs that are being modeled. That would make it easy to see if something were either up too much or not enough according to the sim.

One thing to keep in mind on the hourglass and TT is that 0.9 ppm is the observed proc rate, meaning it already takes into account that it can only proc on crits.

Edit: Thinking more on the hourglass and TT you should be able to just model them since I believe we know how they function internally. According to the spell details they're both a 10% chance on any crit (outside of the observed 45s cooldown on the proc).

 

Illundai

I haven't seen it once in 2 months. Loot is random. Heh.

 

◊ Rob

It's a good point that Netherbane, Talon of the Phoenix, and Rod of the Sun King are getting buffed in 2.2. But my list only covers the most commonly asked questions, and we don't usually see any questions about these weapons. (Talons tend to go to rogues and Rod of the Sun King has a proc that only rogues and warriors can take advantage of.) Netherbane would certainly be a good addition to the list for orcs -- preferable to a Black Planar Edge or a Dragonstrike* -- but an MG Cleaver is still equivalent for orcs and an MG Pummeler is still preferable for non-orcs.


* Pending further data on Dragonstrike proc uptime, and even with a 40% uptime = 5% passive haste I still feel 3% hit + ~1% crit + some AP on the Netherbane and/or the MG Cleaver is very comparable.

 

• Krish

Malan and Rob,

I agree that the Netherbane and MG Cleaver are almost identical. For many of the Orc Shaman who either don't have 2625 Arena Points to grab one, or 5250 to grab two, and may have acquired or have access to a Netherbane, it seems worth mentioning. If one were to read that list of preferred MH weapons, you would currently get the impression that Black Planar Edge, Dragonstrike, and MG Pummeler were all better choices than the Netherbane for a MH. To my understanding, this is a false impression, and seems worthy of rectifying for those who are using that first post as a basis for their gear considerations (I know I did, and it has been a tremendous help).

 

◊ Malan

Those weapons *are* better for the Main Hand. When I picked up a Netherbane I put it in my OH and moved my Gladiator weapon to my MH. I'll be using my Gladiator until I get into BT.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Yo!

How much crit observers had? How many attacks were hasted by Flurry resulting in more hits resulting in more procs? Did they SS on cooldown or not (for "clean" testing)? Same goes with windfury - testers switch it off so that special attacks do not increase "base" ppm that they want to find. How about mongoose - was it on? How about raid buffs that testers had NOT on and you selected for the sim? Plug this info (their stats and what mechanics they used while performing the test) into sim and than we can compare the results. I prefer ppm concept over uptime because uptime depends on stats while ppm does not.
Thank you for suggesstion of procs uptime to be displayed - I will do that.
I will also change Hourglass and TT since they were modelled using 0.9 ppm on crits indeed.

Crazy Shaman's DPS & AEP calculator (c) Yo

 

Delenda

I'd be interested to hear your opinions on which is the better setup (A or B). I'm about two weeks away from earning the Merciless Gladiator's Cleaver and am pondering whether to MH or OH it, given the other two weapons I have. I'm inclined to go with Setup-B, but I find myself wondering how much difference there might be between the two .. given the discrepancy in DPS, the contribution of MH versus OH, and orc racials. I'll probably run some comparison tests, just for fun, but until then .. what do you think?

Current Setup
Big Bad Wolf's Paw – MH Only
The Harvester of Souls – 1H

Potential Setup A
Big Bad Wolf's Paw – MH Only
Merciless Gladiator's Cleaver – 1H

Potential Setup B
Merciless Gladiator's Cleaver – 1H
The Harvester of Souls – 1H

I tried running Yo's simulator, but unfortunately, I was unable to load it.

Thank you!

 

◊ Rob

It would be appropriate to link your Armory profile since any answer to that question would depend on how much AP you have from gear.

 

Delenda

As requested...

The Armory - Delenda

 

◊ Rob

Yo's sim predicts setup B to be the superior option.