I wonder why you actually talk about FT that much, it is as previously shown just a fix to allow more weapon choices. If you have two slow weapons you won't need to change at all, if you don't have a slow offhand, just a slow mainhand it might be a worthwhile alternative, which can reach dual WF damage output.

Afaik ft on the offhand is still buggy and using the mainhand speed dps, dunno if this was fixed yet, actually this bug is the only reason a slow/fast wf/ft combo does top slow/slow wf/wf damage theoretically for some cases.

I don't think Lootzor is ever going to be upgraded to include the missing stat weights for haste/armor, and it seems to be missing a lot of valid items that don't have those stats anyways. I went over to thottbot today and got wildly different item sets. Lootzor is looking like a dead site right now.

What were your input stats and what was your choice of weapon imbues (WF/FT or WF/WF)?

A couple of questions that I didn't see answered (or it seems uncertain if the op has been adjusted to reflect this in the case of the haste question.)

1. Has anyone done weights for the tier 4, 5, 6 set bonuses? To, for example, compare the benefits of going from cyclone shoulders to cataclysm shoulders assuming you're giving up a set bonus from doing so.

2. Post haste normalization/nerf, is the dragonstrike still the best crafting option for non-orc shamans?

Here's an interesting question that been asked by a guildie... They fixed the effect of mobs going into negative resistance but how the effect of Ignore armor.. Does it allow mobs to go into negative armor ?

If the game mechanics allows it then armor penetration will be seriously over powered on zero armor targets.

1. Run the numbers yourself it isn't hard.

2. As far as I know, yes.

Mhm, Reliquary of Souls phase 1 has no armor. I don't have any Armor Penetration so I can't test it, however.

In terms of wording, you can't ignore more armor than the mob already has, so I doubt you can get a mob down to sub-zero armor for yourself with Ignore armor attributes.

At least that's my guess.

Anyone know whether or not Yo!s simulator assumes you have either Nature's Guidance or Dual Wield Specialization? Or do we need to manually add the 9% hit from these talents to what the paper doll reports from item +hit?

Thanks

Afaik they removed negative armor in the same patch with the negative resistances and that was a long long time ago.

To paraphrase, that's why it's "ignore X of the target's armor" instead of "reduces target's armor by X".

Examine your character sheet. Take the hit from that, add the % to any talents that grant % hit, put that into the sim.

Thanks much.

A question about group setup.

Last night on Leo we had lots of melee:

- 1 Enhancement shaman (me obviously)
- 2 sword rogues
- 2 fury warriors
- 2 feral druids

The main melee group consisted of me, 2 rogues and 2 fury warriors. We actually first had a feral druid, but when the raid leader asked me what totem I was going to use (WF obviously), he said the feral doesn't gain anything from that and moved him out for a fury warrior.

I'm thinking switching 1 rogue or even fury warrior (but rogue more likely) out, would have buffed the overall raid dps by so much more. Ofcourse, this is only speculation, as I don't have any rough numbers. I wonder if anyone does have the theory behind group setups and how much potentional dps the raid has lost not having a feral in the group?

Twisting WF and GoA reduces the whole "druids are wasting a WF slot" feeling.

In your setup however, I'd say your melee group is ideal with 2 rogues and 2 warriors.
Let the hunters have the druid

I'd put one druid in the hunter group and probably put the other one in the MT's group.

Check Disquette's signature.
His DiscoDice addon graphically answers the "cycle routine" part of your question. Since shocks and WF totem/SS have different cooldowns, it is pretty much a "dynamic cycle" (but the main idea remains "WF/GoA/SS/EShock/FlameShock <refresh>" - you just have three shocks for two totem-drops / SS).

As far as mana is concerned, it depends on the fight, the buffs available, and if the mob/boss is JoW-ed or not.
Personnally, I let go the shocks first if I can't sustain the whole shocks+totem twisting+SS thing.

Just make sure you don't use max rank Windfury Totem or there's no way to sustain it.

Hey Guys, sorry for the stupid question... But when i click the link to Yo's damage simulator all i get is the instructions at the bottom and a big box with a broken graphic symbol in it at the top of the screen. Does anyone know why it isnt working for me? Do i have to download something to get it to work?

You need to have the Java Runtime Environment installed. Go here - Download Free Java Software

Oh, Cheers mate =D

Here are my values: 1724AP, 6.21% haste, 16.93 Hit %, 27.76% CR, 175 Armor Penetration (using 4000 armor as base value, which is probably still higher than the average in BT/Hyjal).

MH: 2.6 speed 100.2 DPS, 5 skill (I'm an orc)
OH: 2.6 speed 97.5 DPS, 5 skill

Buffs: all but GoA, Trueshot, and the bottom 3, T5 4-piece bonus = on, CoE, Scorch, Misery.

Using WF/WF, Totem of the Astral Winds, Ashtongue Talisman.

I also got one AEP value for Haste of 1.0, which is very low compared to the ~2 I usually get.

One other question that I haven't found a good answer for is what I should be inputting for magical resistances. 365 seems very high to me, so I had been trying it with zero as well, which also seems wrong. Does anyone have the math behind what these values should be for accurate results?