Malan

Are you seriously suggesting this to be used at level 70?

Yah that's a great methodology to rely on.

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Nite_Moogle

It sounds retarded, but there is merit to using the Ravager to clear out large numbers of NPCs. The weapon's DPS is terrible, but you still get full AP benefit on each hit, and it can hit anything in range with no target limit cap. When there's 20-30 mobs in range, it's far from a trivial amount of damage if you can get it to proc. There aren't a lot of situations where it's useful (the last room of Auchenai crypts, for example), but it isn't something to dismiss outright.

 

Malan

With the inherent drawback that you are using a 2H that hits less than a lvl 70 dagger would, while waiting for a proc. Where the heck is anyone pulling 20-30 mobs at a time that this would be useful? The AoE packs in Solarian's room, that live for a grand total of maybe 10-15 seconds?

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rava

Why would you think that they will? The idea was brought up numerous times in the Enhancement 2.3 post and Eyonix basically said "qq, some shamans want it and it's cheaper than having the AP equivalent".

As much as I would love for it to change it won't, and the set will forever sit in my bags as makeshift pvp gear or if I ever feel ugly because I made a male draenei and need an amazing looking set to make me feel better.

 

• Shabadu

It's fun to spin around.

 

Unaz

I'm not sure if it's just a PvP thing, but that axe used to proc constantly sub 60, as in several times a fight. But I tried dueling at 70 with it, and it didn't proc once over several minutes of auto attacking.

 

Duuberman

Regarding the ravager, yes it is not a very serious thing, and is extremely situational, but it still is surprising regarding the amount of damage it can put out. Try it, if anything, it makes running lowbies through instances a more pleasurable experience. Personally, I use it for the laughs, or if I'm aggro capped on farm bosses(again for laughs), but you still can't deny that it hits rather hard for a level 37 axe when combined with rockbiter. ~800-900 hits, double that crits for me personally. The beauty in it is the proc and how its damaged is multiplied in aoe situations. Try it, you will be surprised by the results.

Again, I have to emphasize that you must use rockbiter in order for it to anything remotely close to respectable damage, and yes, it's fun to spin around.

I suppose I should add that it procs off itself on the last swing. Before BC, it used to proc of any swing, so if you got more then 3 mobs, it goes on infidently, but still, if you have enough mobs going down at the same time, it can be one nasty ridiculous and goofy tornado of death. I'm not saying you will out AOE a mage or a warlock, but it does more then our fire nova totem or our magma totem with no spelldamage. 2.3 might change that, but I'd rather still spin hysterically.

 

falonub

I might try this on hyjal trash when casters are AoEing. Bout time shaman get a blade flurry :P(joke)

 

Duuberman

Psh, better then blade flurry, its Bladestorm!!!

 

Nobunda

Interested in your jobby for Invigorate... as well I have tried enhancer and I find that I dont care for it all that much. Will try power aura and avion and play with them and see what turns out to be the best for my UI.

Thanks for your help guys... as well, I got rid of my ravenger ages ago. No intention of going back to SM to get another. It was fun to play with... but thats about it.

 

Malan

Why bother letting WF tick for 5 seconds? You're giving yourself like 3 seconds of GoA time like that. It refreshes the buff the instant its dropped, you can use GoA the instant you come out of GCD and WF will remain there for 8 seconds.

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Nobunda

What I typically do... spam my totem macro sequence which consist of WF, SOE, Mana Spring (in that order)... then start spamming the heck outta my twist macro shown on post 1. That seems to keep the melee group happy and when the other 2 totems are about to expire... Rince and repeat.

Going this route may seem like a mana waste cause im droping wf totem twice within a short time... but I would rather blow a bit more mana than have the WF buff come off the groups weapon.

 

SentinelBorg

Where did he state that? I only found this answer to a question about mp5 on enhancer items: "I've not done an extensive review of the item changes going into 2.3. If there is anything to address this concern, I'll let you know. Regardless though, your point is noted."

Later on someone asked for spelldam instead of mp5 and he answered: "I wasn't referring to seeking out int and mana/5, but they are on many enhancement items, affect the total item budget very little, and do help. My main point was that int and mana/5, in my opinion would be more useful than spell damage/crit."

And in the end, it's not his call. They removed spelldam from T4 and T5, so I don't see a reason, they would not be able to do this with mp5, too. Especially when we now can use Elemental Focus as an additional argument against mp5.

When 2.3 goes live on the PTR without T6 changes, we should remind them heavily about this issue on the forums and with the inGame comment function.

 

Xoya

He's still letting GoA go for the full 10 seconds. He just leaves WF down a bit longer so he can more easily sustain the rotation while shocking.

 

Malan

Yes but the WF Buff does not last 10 seconds.

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Doctah

Indeed it does last 10 secs refreshing every 5 sec hehe. The timer however as all other wow timers rounds down the number visible so it appears to start at 9 sec.

 

Aknazer

One thing that used to work with the ravager was when it procced off of a WF attack. Now I doubt that this still works, but back at 60 (which was the last time I used the axe) it you started to spin the same second that WF procced then that first attack with Ravager would have the bonus AP from WF. It was pretty crazy at lvl60 to be seeing 800-1.6k attacks (depending on if it crit or not) with a lvl37 weapon. Now I doubt that that still works since your paperdoll no longer shows the AP gain from WF like it did back then, but the talk of the ravager reminded me of that.

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Duuberman

Yeah, they have nerfed it a bunch, which is a shame. I used to use one when I was bored in mc back when. Good times, maybe...

 

panny

But haste doesn't affect SS/WF (much) so it's not a straight percentage. >:

Oh well, I guess it's mostly a moot point by the time 2.3 rolls around anyway.

 

◊ Gwaihir

If you are using the WF totem I think you still see a momentary hop in character sheet AP when a WF proc goes off.

 

Visionnaire

Eh, I don't believe in raw totem twisting.

I don't have macros set up for them simply because I find it is very situational. It depends on the fight. If I can spare the mana, I'll lay down GoA a few times for a bit extra DPS, but by no means will I put it in my rotation for DPS.

 

Aegospotami

I've read the main post several times and I understand the stat value of Hit Rating vs Strength and other stats, but I'm having a little trouble zeroing in on the Hit Rating range I should have to be effective.

The reason I'm asking is because I recently upgraded two blues to purples, replacing one part of the Desolation mail gear set and another item for a total loss of 66 hit rating, taking me down to only 69 hit total.

Now, I know the main post says +Hit gems are always the wrong answer, but can that be true if my Hit Rating has dipped so low? I could run Karazhan again next week when it resets and maybe some great items with +Hit will drop, but then again maybe not. My primary concern is that I might be gimping myself by equipping the upgrades I just got, because they take away so much Hit Rating.

So I guess this is a long-winded way of saying, what's the acceptable "range" for Hit Rating for a raiding shaman?

 

rava

I raid with 77, Sebudai raids with 80 something, the acceptable range is what you can manage while maximizing your other stats.

 

Oteb

Out of 30 seconds I have wf active 30 seconds and goa active around 20 (slightly less)
In normal totem twisting WF is active 30 and goa 25,5 (rouhgly)
So my net loss of goa uptime is quite minimal but it doesnt put me on constant gcd if I maintain shock rotation between totems. Also its slightly less mana intensive. Another bonus is that it lets flame shock tick for its full duration as shock is not used every 6 seconds.
IMO its a good mix of twisting with shocking as you get some of both.

 

panny

20/30 = 0.667
25.5/30 = 0.85

0.85/0.6667 = 27% GoA time difference. Given that you're choosing to totem twist in the first place, why do it half arsed? Just for the ease of having a perfect 30 second cycle? Exactly what are you using those extra GCDs gained for anyway?

Even while doing a full burn rotation (SS->WF->GoA->Shock), you'll have periods of time where you have nothing to do in your GCDs anyway, plently of time for you to refresh other totems. As for shocks, you can use Earth Shock if the Flame Shock debuff is still up. None of these reasons are good enough for sticking to an artifical lower DPS cycle, unless you're having problems with concentration or focus.