Either i need glasses or not all the heroic loot are known -- i started to do comparison with my current gear and first found no feet and then no head. Now looking also no shoulders Has anyone nice overview pic of enhance shaman list of eq?

EDIT: I have my Master's degree so i hope i do not need more classes, but if missed those slots then i might need glasses

Part of my question was to specifically count in the 4 set bonuses in your decisions.

I did some math on your AEP numbers, however I did not always get the same result as you did. I expect this was due to 2 factors. One is that you did not list the number you chose as the AEP for Strength. Also I expect that I may not be making the same gem selections as you are. The Skyshatter Tunic was 286 AEP when I did my math, for example. What gems you used and what your STR AEP is would help me.

But assuming your numbers for the moment, the 4 set bonus of Skyshatter is 70 AP for 12 seconds every time you use SS. Not hit with it, but use it. So there is no reason you can't keep this up. Resulting in +70AEP. The 2 piece bonus is a bit more difficult to work out the AP equivalent. A mana cost reduction on Shocks hardly seems huge. However since Shocks for many shaman equal 10% of their total dmg, it's hardly something to ignore.

So I agree with your helm choice. I stated I intended to go Cursed Vision myself. That leaves the BP, the Legs, and the Shoulders.

By your numbers:
Shoulders: This is a AEP loss of 1.1
BP: This is an AEP loss of 69.5
Legs: This is an AEP loss of 29.9

This is a net loss of 100.5 AEP to select Skyshatter armor for these 3 slots over the ideal top end item. However this is no way adds in the Tier bonuses. The 4 set alone adds in 70 AEP dropping the loss to 30.5 AEP. And then that leaves a comparison of 10% mana reduction on Shocks versus 30.5 AEP. Which I wouldn't begin to know the math formula to say which is better. However I would easily say that 10% mana reduction off of Shocks is easily comprable to 30 AP.

Going for the shoulders and the gloves of Skyshatter is a very solid way to go. Ignoring the helm, that leaves two very reasonable slots to go for T6 still over a unique item. Adding in the fact that it is much more reliable and probable that a T6 will drop over a specific unique item, it adds more weight into first picks for item slots in my opinion.

I have to say I do not see how the Midnight Chestguard and Bow-Stitched Leggings are the clear winners by any stretch of the word once you account for the 2 and 4 set bonuses on T6.

You quote these two as 'source of information' and expect to be taken seriously.

The answer to your hit rating question was posted countless time thorough the 100+ pages of this thread, if you still don't get it, go back to the official forums and stop bothering us with yet the same old questions.

No you don't need glasses, there are huge itemization gaps there for enhancement shamans.

The common answers you'd find here, is to go to karazhan and get leather, but don't expect to find any off-hand!

Strength has an AEP value of 2.2. It's the same for all shaman. As far as gem choices, I use +5 Strength/+5 Crit Rating for yellow sockets, +5 Strength/+7 Stamina for blue sockets, and +10 Strength for red sockets.

Anyway, your comparison does not take into account the difference between Skyshatter Grips and Fists of Mukoa. They are not equal. Here is what the comparison looks like based off of my AEP values:

Shoulders of the Hidden Predator - 222.5
Midnight Chestguard - 353.5
Fists of Mukoa - 208.3
Bow-stitched Leggings - 303.5

Total AEP - 1087.8

Skyshatter Pauldrons 221.4
Skyshatter Tunic - 284
Skyshatter Grips - 201.7
Skyshatter Pants - 273.6
4 Piece Set Bonus - 70

Total AEP - 1050.7

A total difference of 37.1 AEP.

A 10% reduction to the mana cost of my shock spells is not worth more to me than 37.1 AEP. I do not assign that set bonus any value at all. I never run out of mana. For me, at least, this set bonus literally does nothing of any value. It will be even more meaningless after patch 2.3(unless they change it, which is very possible).

Another important factor to consider is eventually we will be upgrading our loot in the Sunwell Plateau. Once we upgrade one of our four pieces of T6 we are going to lose that set bonus. The non-T6 route will have a much smoother transition because it's not relying on a set bonus to make up for inferior stat allocation.

Yeah, I have to agree with you there.
It's nice that you actually have the choice if you either want to go set or random epics, but here you don't really have one. I personally hope that they'll actually attempt to juggle around some of the T6 stats so it gets at least equal, if not a tad better then the current random items.

So, T6 still has the mp5. Its time to remember them again, how useless it is, especially now with Elemental Focus.
I already made threads in the british and german boards, but I don't have access to the US boards, so somebody should open a thread there and we should keep pushing it:

WoW-Europe.com Forums -> Enhancement Shaman, still Mp5 on T6
WoW-Europe.com Forums -> Enhancement Shaman, still Mp5 on T6

They removed spelldam from T4/T5 after we complained and they removed the dodge rating from rogue shoulders, after they whined. So my hope is, that it works again.

The new Stonebreaker Totem may not be hot for someone in BT/SSC I'll admit, but its sure a lot better than the old -mana cost of Stormstrike totem, and is a nice filler if someone has bad RNG luck on the Astral Winds totem. Its at least giving us options, which is more than we had before.

On the other hand I notice that ferals are getting 65 agility from spamming mangle which is a bit depressing.

I would suggest that people log onto the PTR, and give a feedback on that Totem - maybe say that it should be changed to "Windfury attacks have a chance to grant extra AP" instead.

Also I'm looking at the new heroic badge items, these are some very nice leather items that shaman coming out of KZ or who had bad luck in T5 content will be able to use.

They didn't write anything about it in the patchnotes and I haven't seeen anything here since the PTR went live, so my guess is that it's still the same set as it is now (-10% shock mana as 2set and 70 ap per SS as 4set.).

About Yo!'s Sim and AEP, there is something I do not get. I ran three 10 000hours simulation (without 2.3 patch talents) and got this AEP values (mean values from the three simulations):
AP: 1
Crit: 1.65
Hit: 1.29
Haste: 1.23
Armor Penetration: 0.21
Strengh: 2
Agi: 1.46

As agility gives crit rating (a bit more than 1 for 1), why AEP for Agi is lower than AEP for Crit?

Agility gives less crit per point than Crit Rating does.

Oki, my mistake

Thank you

To Malan's point. A lot of the power druid DPSers (powershifting and what not) try to minimize the number of mangles they cast because it hurts their DPS and often assign a mangle bitch to someone else to keep it up for them so they can optimize.

Way way off topic, but I wonder how this will change the cycle for them now (if it changes at all).

You can forget about any decent upgrade for astrall winds

Anyone on the PTR verified if SR is dispellable yet? The CMs didn't seem to know if it would be or not.

@ Aegospotami - your first post just sounded like you expected someone to be at your beck and call for answers. Your second post was just trolling, and has been reported as such. I don't claim to be an expert, nobody here claims this thread to be the "bible" of anything. Take your rhetoric elsewhere and learn some manners.

I think people are considering the '110 attack power "chance" on shocks' relic that comes from heroic badges. If the proc rate is anything decent (50%ish) it should be a viable relic rather than something that can be easily dismissed.

That's the new PvP totem. There is also one from heroic badges that is a chance on casting a shock spell to increase AP by 110 for 10 seconds. Whether or not this is better than the Totem of the Astral Winds is entirely dependent upon the proc rate and possible internal CD. There's so much I wanted to test on the PTR, and I'm hoping someone here has been able to get onto them.

If you are able to get onto the PTR, a few things that I'd love to see tested:

1) The uptime of the Ashtongue Talisman of Vision (even some simple blasted lands testing should give us a good starting point).

2) The uptime of the new relic slot item mentioned above.

3) The exact mana returned by each globe of water shield.

4) The amount of time that the buff from Shamanistic Focus (reduces the cost of your next shock spell by 60% after landing a melee critical strike) lasts.

5) Is Shamanistic Rage dispellable?

6) What are the new stats on the Belt of One Hundred Deaths?

7) Has the orc racial for axe weapon skill been changed?

There must be other simple-to-test things others would like to know as well, but those five would give us some much-needed clarification.

You can probably count on some internal cooldown of 45 seconds, untill then, i won't change my mind switching.

I can't test anything on my shaman, since i can't copy him

oh and, the badges of justices are now usable for pvp items aswell, so i don't think i made a wrong statement at all, considering it should be pvp/pve on both vendors then.

if there was any sort of cooldown, the line between it being better than astral winds would get VERY small. The relic would have no right being purple. I double it would even be useful with a proc rate under like 20% or much of a cooldown. It shouldn't take a ton of math to prove an epic is better than a blue (although that appears to only be my opinion, not blizzard's).

According to a post in the 2.3 PTR changes thread, Orc Racial was changed to 5% crit (I have not verified this) and Belt of One Hundred Deaths is just going to be a 1:1 swap of Weapon Skill to Weapon Expertise.

Stumbled across a link(which ive now lost, typical) where the stonebreaker proc had been recorded on wowhead and was stated as a 50% chance to proc. Been a few posts on the official forums which claim a procrate of 50% but nothing to back em up.

Doubt there has been enough testing to find out whether it has a cooldown or not, when you consider that shocks have their own cooldown and that it's not a particularly large amount of AP it wouldn't make sense for it to have a hidden cooldown.

Astral Winds: 160 more AP (effectively) every time WF procs, which is 10-15 times a minute.
At 12 PPM, that's 1920 bonus AP per minute
vs
110 AP on shock trinket that has a maximum PPM chance of 10 for most builds, and an optimistic probable uptime of 30% or so at 2 PPM. That'd put it at 2200 bonus AP per minute, but it's reliant on shock spam which is not as effective as twisting for most people.

Keep farming mana tombs.

Uhm, isn't the Astral Winds totem 80 AP on each Windfury Weapon attack, while the 110 AP is on ALL attacks?

I've heard it was 200 mana per globe (so 600 in total), meaning you could translate it to 50 mp5.