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Old 10/12/07, 4:52 PM   #3701
Malan
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Stop talking about Elemental. They have their own thread.

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Old 10/12/07, 4:57 PM   #3702
SentinelBorg
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Originally Posted by Rob View Post
Umm, not to de-rail here, but as far as I can tell, elemental received a buff at the low end (low crit and low +damage) but a nerf at the high end (high crit and high +damage). If there are any elemental shamans raiding T6 content they aren't happy about these changes.
No, it's a straight buff, because only the basedamage of LO was halved. So with 1200 spelldam and normal lightningbolts hitting for 1530 avg, you have a 20% chance of another bolt with 1215 avg damage. And LO can proc from itself, without further halfing the dam. Elemental shamans are doing a small bit more dam then before, with lower mana costs, less threat and a better scaling with spellhaste.

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Old 10/12/07, 4:59 PM   #3703
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This is not the Elemental Shaman Thread

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Old 10/12/07, 5:12 PM   #3704
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Originally Posted by Malan View Post
Yo's sim is misbehaving badly for me. Can someone plug in the numbers from above and tell me the AEP?

Do not use Kings, Might or LotP or flasks, assume Battle Shout, AP Food, and a Strength elixir.
AP = 1
Crit = 1.61
Hit = 1.17
Haste = 1.14
Armor pen = 0.19
Str = 2
Agi = 1.43

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Old 10/12/07, 5:16 PM   #3705
darkInertia
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The new totem [Stonebreaker's Totem] is higher than 55 effective AP, since the duration is greater than shock cooldown, there can be a period of overlap where even if your most recent shock did not proc, if your second-most recent shock did proc you will have 4 seconds of the buff and 2 seconds of no buff, before your cooldown is up.

Probably of having the buff, for any specific point in time, equals:

[probably that your most recent shock will proc the buff] + [probably that your second most recent shock will proc the buff, and that you are in the overlaping duration]
0.50 + 0.50 * (10-6)/6 = 0.83 * 110 AP = 91.7 AP

Now, this is the best case scenario; it doesn't account for spell resists or cases when you aren't able to shock every 6 seconds

edit: this also assumes there is no hidden cooldown on the proc

Last edited by darkInertia : 10/12/07 at 5:38 PM.

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Old 10/12/07, 5:17 PM   #3706
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Thank you Doctah!

I'll add those to the post.

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Old 10/12/07, 5:19 PM   #3707
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Something I just want to clarify.

The fact that Armor Penetration numbers are so low is based on the fact that the actual amounts are large numbers as compared to base stat numbers, not because it's not that good, right?

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Old 10/12/07, 5:26 PM   #3708
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Right. You get like 100 armor penetration on an item.

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Old 10/12/07, 5:32 PM   #3709
berg
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one 'rating point' of item budget buys you 7 points of armor penetration.

I have always found this to be a weakness of the AEP system, it should be normalized to reflect the item cost. People look at these numbers and think AP is mediocre not realizing that 1 point of AP is half as expensive as 1 point of str/crit/etc

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Old 10/12/07, 5:33 PM   #3710
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Originally Posted by darkInertia View Post
The new totem [Stonebreaker's Totem] is higher than 55 effective AP, since the duration is greater than shock cooldown, there can be a period of overlap where even if your most recent shock did not proc, if your second-most recent shock did proc you will have 4 seconds of the buff and 2 seconds of no buff, before your cooldown is up.

Probably of having the buff, for any specific point in time, equals:

[probably that your most recent shock will proc the buff] + [probably that your second most recent shock will proc the buff, and that you are in the overlaping duration]
0.50 + 0.50 * (10-6)/6 = 0.83 * 110 AP = 91.7 AP

Now, this is the best case scenario; it doesn't account for spell resists or cases when you aren't able to shock every 6 seconds
It seems that same idol for ferals can refresh itself, but can proc on mangle after that one, so probably there is some kind of hidden cd, but around 15 sec max. I'd bet its same on this relic.

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Old 10/12/07, 5:35 PM   #3711
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Berg I can add a note in there about that if you think that's an issue.

Is Yo's sim behaving badly for anyone else? Maybe its just on my mac, but I've tried using it now on 2 different browsers and it never finishes the sim, the java applet just goes blank.

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Old 10/12/07, 5:37 PM   #3712
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Originally Posted by Kirion View Post
It seems that same idol for ferals can refresh itself, but can proc on mangle after that one, so probably there is some kind of hidden cd, but around 15 sec max. I'd bet its same on this relic.
Yeah, i was just gonna edit my post to say that it assumes no hidden cooldown. I guess if you wanted to get a benefit our of both totems, you could swap the new totem for the windfury AP buff, every time you gain the stonebreaker's buff; and then have a 15 sec timer (if this is what the hidden cooldown is) run, and then swap back to stonebreaker.

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Old 10/12/07, 5:39 PM   #3713
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Doesn't swapping totems trigger the GCD?

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Old 10/12/07, 6:01 PM   #3714
darkInertia
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Originally Posted by Malan View Post
Doesn't swapping totems trigger the GCD?
I'll check when I get home. I used to swap healing totems pretty regularly depending on if i had to throw a chain heal, or HW, when I was resto, but I can't remember if it causes the GCD.

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Old 10/12/07, 6:11 PM   #3715
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So I'm checking out the new season 3 weapons on MMO-Champion - World of Warcraft Guides and Raid Strategies.

Awesome weapons, nice stats...

103 dps one handers, 134 dps 2 handers, 247 spell damage caster weapons. The feral staff has over 1000 ap!


Except there is no 2.6 speed versions. I hope this is some joke.

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Old 10/12/07, 6:17 PM   #3716
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Originally Posted by Malan View Post
Doesn't swapping totems trigger the GCD?
Swapping a totem triggers the GCD, however it does not respect the GCD. So you can swap a totem while the GCD is still cooling-down, and swapping a totem will trigger the GCD. For this reason you can macro a spell like CH to begin casting, and then equip the totem of healing rains or what not.

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Old 10/12/07, 6:18 PM   #3717
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Oh nevermind, seems like I overreacted and there is in fact one. Thank god.

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Old 10/12/07, 6:25 PM   #3718
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Decapitator is a 1-h, non-unique weapon on test.
No more tremendous gap between the heroic blues and Alar's fist weapon.

Originally Posted by CheshireCat
Eh, my nostalgia goggles aren't as good as they used to be.

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Old 10/12/07, 6:26 PM   #3719
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New trinket in ZA it seems: here

basically the tsunami talisman of the bloodlust broach.
AEP: 150 AEP = ( 90+ ( 360 * 20 / 120 ))
using the same values as bloodlust was calculated with in the OP

edit: Just checked where that ranked on our relic ranking section... its better than madness of the betrayer. There is something wrong with this.

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Old 10/12/07, 6:26 PM   #3720
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Mainhands that are now One Hands

Fool's Bane and Decapitator Have just been found to be changed from Main hand only to One Handers. OH items for we lower raiding shaman just got way better. Do these changes affect Yo's model?

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Old 10/12/07, 6:29 PM   #3721
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@ChaguraED: why would they? in the end they are simply stats and dps numbers, I cant really see this changing Yo!'s sim.

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Old 10/12/07, 6:32 PM   #3722
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Originally Posted by BoinKlasik View Post
@ChaguraED: why would they? in the end they are simply stats and dps numbers, I cant really see this changing Yo!'s sim.

Sorry, My Mistake. Was curious about the 'Use' function of decapitator in the offhand. would it suffer 50% decrease in damage? I suppose it's fairly low in importance compared to the fact it will be usable in the OH

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Old 10/12/07, 6:32 PM   #3723
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Originally Posted by rava View Post
Tell your rogues to man up and use swords.
Sadly I'm in the same boat here. Every single one of our rogues (even those who already have a Dragonstrike crafted) want or have taken from me a Syphon. Our two fury warriors want it, too.

WTB some proof that Dragonstrike > Syphon, and that swords > maces in general.

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Old 10/12/07, 6:40 PM   #3724
Rob
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Originally Posted by Neithan View Post
Also been crawling the forums and found this nice Z'A offhand:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/599...7164521jp7.jpg
That's pretty nice. Additionally, I am told that the Decapitator and Fool's Bane are now non-Unique and One Hand instead of Main Hand. This will fill a LOT of the itemization holes we face.

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Old 10/12/07, 6:59 PM   #3725
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Originally Posted by BoinKlasik View Post
New trinket in ZA it seems: here

basically the tsunami talisman of the bloodlust broach.
AEP: 150 AEP = ( 90+ ( 360 * 20 / 120 ))
using the same values as bloodlust was calculated with in the OP

edit: Just checked where that ranked on our relic ranking section... its better than madness of the betrayer. There is something wrong with this.
With my AEP values Madness of the Betrayer is 163.6 AEP because of higher value of hit rating and armor penetration. There's nothing wrong about this ZA trinket, it just gives different stats.

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