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10/12/07, 4:52 PM
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#3701
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Mike Tyson
Malan
Tauren Shaman
No WoW Account
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Stop talking about Elemental. They have their own thread.
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10/12/07, 4:57 PM
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#3702
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Don Flamenco
Tauren Shaman
Blackrock (EU)
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Originally Posted by Rob
Umm, not to de-rail here, but as far as I can tell, elemental received a buff at the low end (low crit and low +damage) but a nerf at the high end (high crit and high +damage). If there are any elemental shamans raiding T6 content they aren't happy about these changes.
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No, it's a straight buff, because only the basedamage of LO was halved. So with 1200 spelldam and normal lightningbolts hitting for 1530 avg, you have a 20% chance of another bolt with 1215 avg damage. And LO can proc from itself, without further halfing the dam. Elemental shamans are doing a small bit more dam then before, with lower mana costs, less threat and a better scaling with spellhaste.
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10/12/07, 4:59 PM
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#3703
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Mike Tyson
Malan
Tauren Shaman
No WoW Account
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This is not the Elemental Shaman Thread
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10/12/07, 5:12 PM
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#3704
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Malan
Yo's sim is misbehaving badly for me. Can someone plug in the numbers from above and tell me the AEP?
Do not use Kings, Might or LotP or flasks, assume Battle Shout, AP Food, and a Strength elixir.
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AP = 1
Crit = 1.61
Hit = 1.17
Haste = 1.14
Armor pen = 0.19
Str = 2
Agi = 1.43
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10/12/07, 5:16 PM
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#3705
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Von Kaiser
Draenei Shaman
Bonechewer
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The new totem [Stonebreaker's Totem] is higher than 55 effective AP, since the duration is greater than shock cooldown, there can be a period of overlap where even if your most recent shock did not proc, if your second-most recent shock did proc you will have 4 seconds of the buff and 2 seconds of no buff, before your cooldown is up.
Probably of having the buff, for any specific point in time, equals:
[probably that your most recent shock will proc the buff] + [probably that your second most recent shock will proc the buff, and that you are in the overlaping duration]
0.50 + 0.50 * (10-6)/6 = 0.83 * 110 AP = 91.7 AP
Now, this is the best case scenario; it doesn't account for spell resists or cases when you aren't able to shock every 6 seconds
edit: this also assumes there is no hidden cooldown on the proc
Last edited by darkInertia : 10/12/07 at 5:38 PM.
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10/12/07, 5:17 PM
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#3706
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Mike Tyson
Malan
Tauren Shaman
No WoW Account
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Thank you Doctah!
I'll add those to the post.
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10/12/07, 5:19 PM
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#3707
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Piston Honda
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Something I just want to clarify.
The fact that Armor Penetration numbers are so low is based on the fact that the actual amounts are large numbers as compared to base stat numbers, not because it's not that good, right?
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10/12/07, 5:26 PM
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#3708
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Mike Tyson
Malan
Tauren Shaman
No WoW Account
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Right. You get like 100 armor penetration on an item.
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10/12/07, 5:32 PM
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#3709
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Don Flamenco
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one 'rating point' of item budget buys you 7 points of armor penetration.
I have always found this to be a weakness of the AEP system, it should be normalized to reflect the item cost. People look at these numbers and think AP is mediocre not realizing that 1 point of AP is half as expensive as 1 point of str/crit/etc
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10/12/07, 5:33 PM
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#3710
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Don Flamenco
Tauren Shaman
Deathwing (EU)
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Originally Posted by darkInertia
The new totem [Stonebreaker's Totem] is higher than 55 effective AP, since the duration is greater than shock cooldown, there can be a period of overlap where even if your most recent shock did not proc, if your second-most recent shock did proc you will have 4 seconds of the buff and 2 seconds of no buff, before your cooldown is up.
Probably of having the buff, for any specific point in time, equals:
[probably that your most recent shock will proc the buff] + [probably that your second most recent shock will proc the buff, and that you are in the overlaping duration]
0.50 + 0.50 * (10-6)/6 = 0.83 * 110 AP = 91.7 AP
Now, this is the best case scenario; it doesn't account for spell resists or cases when you aren't able to shock every 6 seconds
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It seems that same idol for ferals can refresh itself, but can proc on mangle after that one, so probably there is some kind of hidden cd, but around 15 sec max. I'd bet its same on this relic.
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10/12/07, 5:35 PM
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#3711
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Mike Tyson
Malan
Tauren Shaman
No WoW Account
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Berg I can add a note in there about that if you think that's an issue.
Is Yo's sim behaving badly for anyone else? Maybe its just on my mac, but I've tried using it now on 2 different browsers and it never finishes the sim, the java applet just goes blank.
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10/12/07, 5:37 PM
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#3712
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Von Kaiser
Draenei Shaman
Bonechewer
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Originally Posted by Kirion
It seems that same idol for ferals can refresh itself, but can proc on mangle after that one, so probably there is some kind of hidden cd, but around 15 sec max. I'd bet its same on this relic.
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Yeah, i was just gonna edit my post to say that it assumes no hidden cooldown. I guess if you wanted to get a benefit our of both totems, you could swap the new totem for the windfury AP buff, every time you gain the stonebreaker's buff; and then have a 15 sec timer (if this is what the hidden cooldown is) run, and then swap back to stonebreaker.
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10/12/07, 5:39 PM
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#3713
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Mike Tyson
Malan
Tauren Shaman
No WoW Account
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Doesn't swapping totems trigger the GCD?
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10/12/07, 6:01 PM
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#3714
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Von Kaiser
Draenei Shaman
Bonechewer
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Originally Posted by Malan
Doesn't swapping totems trigger the GCD?
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I'll check when I get home. I used to swap healing totems pretty regularly depending on if i had to throw a chain heal, or HW, when I was resto, but I can't remember if it causes the GCD.
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10/12/07, 6:11 PM
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#3715
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Bald Bull
Orc Death Knight
Talnivarr (EU)
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So I'm checking out the new season 3 weapons on MMO-Champion - World of Warcraft Guides and Raid Strategies.
Awesome weapons, nice stats...
103 dps one handers, 134 dps 2 handers, 247 spell damage caster weapons. The feral staff has over 1000 ap!
Except there is no 2.6 speed versions. I hope this is some joke.
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10/12/07, 6:17 PM
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#3716
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Malan
Doesn't swapping totems trigger the GCD?
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Swapping a totem triggers the GCD, however it does not respect the GCD. So you can swap a totem while the GCD is still cooling-down, and swapping a totem will trigger the GCD. For this reason you can macro a spell like CH to begin casting, and then equip the totem of healing rains or what not.
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10/12/07, 6:18 PM
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#3717
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Bald Bull
Orc Death Knight
Talnivarr (EU)
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Oh nevermind, seems like I overreacted and there is in fact one. Thank god.
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10/12/07, 6:25 PM
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#3718
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I prefer the term treasure hunting
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Decapitator is a 1-h, non-unique weapon on test.
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No more tremendous gap between the heroic blues and Alar's fist weapon.
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Originally Posted by CheshireCat
Eh, my nostalgia goggles aren't as good as they used to be.
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10/12/07, 6:26 PM
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#3719
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Von Kaiser
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New trinket in ZA it seems: here
basically the tsunami talisman of the bloodlust broach.
AEP: 150 AEP = ( 90+ ( 360 * 20 / 120 ))
using the same values as bloodlust was calculated with in the OP
edit: Just checked where that ranked on our relic ranking section... its better than madness of the betrayer. There is something wrong with this.
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10/12/07, 6:26 PM
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#3720
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Von Kaiser
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Mainhands that are now One Hands
Fool's Bane and Decapitator Have just been found to be changed from Main hand only to One Handers. OH items for we lower raiding shaman just got way better. Do these changes affect Yo's model?
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10/12/07, 6:29 PM
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#3721
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Von Kaiser
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@ChaguraED: why would they? in the end they are simply stats and dps numbers, I cant really see this changing Yo!'s sim.
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10/12/07, 6:32 PM
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#3722
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by BoinKlasik
@ChaguraED: why would they? in the end they are simply stats and dps numbers, I cant really see this changing Yo!'s sim.
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Sorry, My Mistake. Was curious about the 'Use' function of decapitator in the offhand. would it suffer 50% decrease in damage? I suppose it's fairly low in importance compared to the fact it will be usable in the OH
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10/12/07, 6:32 PM
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#3723
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Bald Bull
Xoya
Orc Shaman
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by rava
Tell your rogues to man up and use swords.
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Sadly I'm in the same boat here. Every single one of our rogues (even those who already have a Dragonstrike crafted) want or have taken from me a Syphon. Our two fury warriors want it, too.
WTB some proof that Dragonstrike > Syphon, and that swords > maces in general.
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10/12/07, 6:40 PM
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#3724
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Paid $25 To Raid
Draenei Shaman
Burning Blade
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Originally Posted by Neithan
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That's pretty nice. Additionally, I am told that the Decapitator and Fool's Bane are now non-Unique and One Hand instead of Main Hand. This will fill a LOT of the itemization holes we face.
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10/12/07, 6:59 PM
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#3725
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Piston Honda
Tauren Shaman
Twisting Nether (EU)
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Originally Posted by BoinKlasik
New trinket in ZA it seems: here
basically the tsunami talisman of the bloodlust broach.
AEP: 150 AEP = ( 90+ ( 360 * 20 / 120 ))
using the same values as bloodlust was calculated with in the OP
edit: Just checked where that ranked on our relic ranking section... its better than madness of the betrayer. There is something wrong with this.
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With my AEP values Madness of the Betrayer is 163.6 AEP because of higher value of hit rating and armor penetration. There's nothing wrong about this ZA trinket, it just gives different stats.
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