Have I missed some items that are worth using other than the vashj belt? While I would very much like to get expertise rating I wouldn't trade either of the other two items i've seen.

Shoulders of the Stranger will have Expertise instead of dagger rating.

Anyone reckon BT weapons will be buffed? I'm wondering whether I should get either a RT or another Syphon for my MH (mainhanding Dragonstrike atm). I'm most likely getting a s3 axe for my MH in 2.3 unless BT weapons get buffed.
Then again, I don't know whether s3 will beat my Dragonstrike yet.. need to do some maths on that I suppose.

It's quite difficult to know what is the best combination, cause if a 2.6 drops to 2.0 with flurry, shouldn't you take into account haste and moongoose too ?

I'd expect a 1.5 DPS bump, but on the other hand, I'm not sure why they haven't already done that on PTRs, so maybe not.

There's still alot of time due on the PTR, as well as them mentioning adding more class changes as the PTR develops. I wouldn't put it past them to give BT gear a once over.

I was wondering if anyone has heard or seen anything about upgrading the T3 blacksmithing weapons to a 4th tier. To at least keep the damage up with the S3 weapons, otherwise would there be a reason to not DW the S3 weapons?

Since the season 3 itemization is where Tier 6 would be, you likely won't see this until the Sunwell.

Possibly, but what about when considering the added effects of passive haste? With the passive haste I currently have equipped, my 2.8 speed weapon goes down to 2.63, so wouldn't two 2.8 speed weapons hasted to ~2.6 be equivalent or better than 2.6/2.8? Perhaps not, if we're considering that we -don't- want the offhand to proc as often as the mainhand. They should clearly introduce a 2.9 speed offhand just for enhancement shamans.

2.63 doesn't cleanly divide in to 6. Even with a double mongoose proc up, you're not dead on the 2.0 sweet spot when flurried.

If you had a 2.7, on the other hand...

Sorry why is 2.0 the sweet spot? (probably being stupid here) I would have thought 1.5 would the sweet spot.

Great another item that cannot be gained unless you still go SSC, I hope they introduce some way for shaman to get expertise (replace toughness or anticipation) or create some new items in a decent instance.

Not really, it has been proven that there is no overall dps loos from dropping below 1.5, it was just a hypothetical situation.

2+2+2 = 6, which means that if the first swing procs WF then the third swing in the sequence is eligible to proc WF the instant it is up.

Anywhere between 1.5-2.0 has that chance though doesn't it?

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I haven't looked at all at the math, but the expertise/hit-rating trinket looks interesting.
Brooch of Deftness - Items - World of Warcraft

48 stam
21 expertise
22 hit rating

That's a lot of swing-connecting love in one trinket. 1.35% of all attacks (from the expertise), and an additional 1.41% of white attacks (from the hit)

If I've got a 2.0 weapon (which really means, I've got a 2.6 weapon flurried) in both the main hand and the offhand my swing pattern will look like this if I don't synchronize the attacks:

MH - 1 sec delay - OH - 1 sec delay - MH - 1 sec delay - OH
Basically, swings evenly occurring at 1.0 intervals. What this means is that as soon as WF's timer expires, you swing and that swing is eligible to proc Windfury. With an insane streak of luck, you could go MH-OH-MH-OH in the span of 12 seconds. Adding or removing any time to this introduces dead time in which you're landing swings that are either too early (in the case of Mongoose) or too late (in the case of a 2.7 or 2.8) and you aren't making optimum use of the WF timer. There's further issue introduced when you're mixing speeds, as you'll cyclically have one weapon or the other as "dominant" in their swing-first chance, which can lead to very streaky results.

Naturally the fact that Flurry isn't up all the time screws with this horribly and means you'll never really see this, but it's the reason that 2.0 is such a hot spot when you can keep Flurry up for any period of time.

I still feel that 2.8/2.6 is slightly superior to 2.6/2.8. This does assume your waiting for WF timer to SS though, but that has also been shown to be higher damage then SSing right away.

unless they fix our tier 0 (or tier 1 if you like) talents, the typical spec that would pick up both the new 5 pt talent and retain all the points we normally put in resto would be hard to maintain. A talent that good would be hard to pass up, if it was in anticipation that was changed, the basic spec is maintained while dropping guardian totems and weapon totems. In any case I would wish they would give us at least a weak version of the talents that reduce the offhand damage penalty.

Just out of curiosity, since 14 ap == 1dps, why haven't we re-calculated weapons to include this in our AEP? Feel free to ridicule me mercilessly if this was answered somewhere back in the thread. If it's just because no one has bothered to do it, I'll take the time and make the conversions.

14ap = 1 dps if all you do is autoattack with 100% hit rate, 0% dodges/parries, 0% blocks, no glancing blows, 0% crit rate, and single wield weapons.

I kind of figured with the change to Expertise we'd see a lot of new items with that stat popping up. But there's already some gear that should become more interesting...[Shoulderpads of the Stranger] (10 ER, .64% dodge reduction), [Grips of Deftness] (10 ER), [Gloves of the Searing Grip] (18 ER, 1.15% dodge reduction)...

I mean right there we have two pieces of rogue gear that are now equally good for shamans...

Edit: Removed [Scaled Greaves of the Marksman], which has gotten changed to Hit Rating, not Expertise. Bastards! Those would have been the best pants!