• fangar

Not that it helps you at all Stig, but the Gloves off of Al'ar (Searing Grip) have what translated to 4 weapon skill. I haven't scoured all the ZA drops, so there may be more there.

For the love of god please read the Original Post!

 

• Toots Hepcat

The DPS to AEP conversion is a question that's important to me. I've been working on a blasted lands test to investigate the effect of weapon speeds on overall DPS and it's kind of fallen apart due to the unknown AEP value of 1 dps at each weapon speed. My numbers are all over the place and seem to indicate some spooky effects that I can't really verify because the weapons I'm using vary by up to 8 dps.

Unfortunately, it's also something I have no clue how to compute for certain, and I'm not entirely willing to trust the values from simulators (at least for interpreting these in-game tests; that seems like more variability when I need more control).

The back-of-the-envelope figure I've seen is that 10.5 AP = 1 dps when dual wielding. Thus 1 weapon DPS would conceivably be the same as 10.5 AP. But that doesn't factors in windfury and stormstrike -- a benefit that will be proportional to weapon speed.

Whatever the AEP value for DPS, it's halved for offhands. Important to remember, as one could imagine an instance where the stats on an offhand would be worth more than the dps increase on a potential upgrade.

 

◊ Rob

That 10.5 figure doesn't sound immediately correct to me; how was it obtained?.
First, if you're dual wielding with 100% hit rate and 0% crit rate, 14 AP = 1.5 DPS. Divide by 1.5, 9.33 AP = 1 DPS. You can do the math to factor in misses, dodges, glances, and crits from there. Don't forget to factor in Weapon Mastery which gives us an additional 10% DPS from AP multiplying your figure by 1.1 at the end.
Then you've got special attacks to consider. When you do these, don't forget to multiply WF by 1.4 for Elemental Weapons and both WF and SS by 1.1 for Weapon Mastery.


@ Malan:
OP states that Astral Winds gives 80 AP to 40% of swings; I'm assuming this was meant to be 2 WF procs for every 5 hits. In this case it's 80 AP to 2/(2+5) = 2/7 = 28% of swings. ALL Astral Winds swings (WF procs) are multiplied by 1.4, whereas for Stonebreaker's only some of the swings are multiplied by 1.4 (the white procs aren't). There's also no mention of the fact that this model is only true if you shock instantly every time the CD is up, and no mention if the 52% uptime is based on 6s shocks or 5s shocks. I do agree with the conclusion (Stonebreaker's is better than Astral Winds), but only if you shock often enough to keep Stonebreaker uptime greater than ~35%. I think this is worth mentioning based on how many shamans are twisting these days.

 

h4rr0d

[Shapeshifter's Signet] is going to have 20 ER, have someone done some research about this ring yet? will it be better than for example [Ring of a Thousand Marks]?

 

◊ Rob

Apparently it's 15.6 ER for 1% fewer dodges and 15.8 HR for 1% hit. Just weight expertise rating the same as hit rating and do your AEP plug-and-chug.

 

• Nite_Moogle

Expertise is going to be slightly better since it'll also affect your WF procs and SS attacks, which isn't something that +hit will do past 9%.

[Carebare]: I'd rather not fit through doorways than be a troll

 

• Toots Hepcat

[Shapeshifter's Signet] (20 ER, 1.28% dodge reduction)...not shabby, but 1 ER would have to be worth 3.58 AEP to beat the thousand marks ring

 

• Toots Hepcat

Expertise should be WAY better than hit rating -- should be better than crit rating. We should wait for the illustrious Yo to add it to his sim before throwing out numbers.

Rob: 10.5 is one of those unsited, inexplicable numbers I got from Wowwiki and never trusted. You seem to be on the right track, starting with 9.33 and factoring in WF -- I'll take it under advisement and test it asap.

 

funshinebear

Thanks for creating this thread Rava. Just replied plus I've given feedback on the PTR.

 

• Disquette

The oddest part to me about this thread is that of the 24 people who responded, and Rava himself, 18 of them are Draenei. That's 72%.

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rava

Credit should go to Xoya and SentinelBerg, I just posted it.

 

Mikari

WoW Forums -> Totem Twisting Looks like Blizzard doesn't like it.

 

Pitbuller

Quick math how compare weapon dps to ap.
If we assume that Mh and Oh get WF procs equally: (not perfectly truth)
Both suffer same penalties from migitation and avoidance also weapon mastery benefit both.
Only difference is unleashed rage +10% ap and shamanist rage mana gain.

This lead that:
MH weapon dps AEP = [(dps * 14 * 1aep) / 1.5] / 1.1 = 8.4848...
OH weapon dps AEP = [(dps * 14 * 1aep) / 0.75] / 1.1 = 4.2424...


10.5aep is propably some rogue number they got different multipliers and normalized special attacks.

EDIT: Using ridiculous various of ap and weapon dps and all test shows these numbers is very close to truth. Now there is only one unknow: Weapon speed and how to calculate that AEP. (I bet there isn't any way to do that)

Slow, slower, shaman weapon.

 

rava

"Ow" is really all that comes to mind.

 

• Shabadu

I never really liked it either. It was obvious from the very first day that one totem per element was in place to give you benefits and drawbacks to choosing a specific totem in that slot. This works with every totem but WF with the way the weapon buff applies. Same thing with good ole parachute totem. It was nice while we had it, but it's time is about up.

 

◊ Rob

D'oh, huge oversight on my part. Theoretically, the correct thing to do would be to multiply your hit rating weight by 1.8: assuming 50% damage = white and 40% damage = yellow.

This assumes that your target does not cast, however. (We can perhaps justify this to ourselves by saying that some targets may cast but also parry due to RSTS abilities causing them to turn in place.)

 

• Disquette

1) Thanks for the correction on the Brooch of Deftness. It is indeed a neckpiece not a trinket. I think it's not very cool for Blizzard to use the term Brooch for both slots though :-( (Bloodlust Brooch = trinket. Brooch of Deftness = necklace).

2) I'm going to stop writing mods :-( I responded on page 6 in the twisting thread on the Blizzard forums.

----- sig ---------------
Discoepfeand - rogue / Disquette - shaman
A stormstrike / shocks /watershield timer-bar addon: http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/9729/
"Moogle has mentioned this in passing a few times but never elaborated on it. Perhaps we can entice him to respond." - Malan

 

• Nite_Moogle

My Surprise-O-Meter isn't registering anything here, sorry.

[Carebare]: I'd rather not fit through doorways than be a troll

 

panny

Brooch of Deftness seems like it will be very nice for PvP. I hate having a Rogue pop evasion on me while Warstomp is on cooldown.

 

◊ Malan

I'd like to throw out a big fat "I told you so" right now.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."

 

Xoya

I reposted the T6 thread in the shaman forum since Eyonix seems to be checking it tonight.

WoW Forums -> Eyonix: Enhancement Shaman T6

Feel free to bump.

 

Quaunaut

Haven't seen this discussed, so I'll pry:

Has the thought of modifying WF Cooldown mods to adjust for lag? That way we can have an extra bit for the Stormstrike hit.

 

Difforgazm

Hi, i didn't see this posted anywhere but assuming the new talents in place.

Would this:

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Be considered the new cookie cutter Raiding build?

Sorry for the newb question, but the only talk of specs was 'LOL ELE AND ENH BULD"

Thanks in advance.

 

◊ Rob

That looks about right, though totem twisters would probably prefer the extra 10% mana off totems vs. 2% shock damage.

 

Difforgazm

well im just thinking, after that news from eyonix, and the fact that next patch our mana conservation is crazy anyway. That more dmg should be used over mana conservation.

Well, at least in my opinion.