Nite_moogle:

I double checked my math and there should be any errors.

This should explain math behind 1wDps = 8.48aep.

I have spent a lot of time reading this post. The information is impressive. It does appear to be aimed at end game more than anything else. Im not a number cruncher or mathematician so some of the information is greek to me. I also searched repeatedly for information about this weapon.

Could someone either show the numbers or at least the logic behind whether the Flurry Axe would make a good main hand weapon for my enhancement shaman.

I like the idea of an extra swing proc from the weapon but no one seems to know if it will proc windfury. I also don't know how much the lower weapon damage will effect over all dps. If there is anything else I should know, I would appreciate the heads up.

Thank you.

It's not the weapon damage you should be concerned about (I presume you're talking about using it for leveling and not at 70) but rather the speed. It is much too fast, and I suspect the proc rate would have to be extremely high to make up for the speed.

I usually just mash SS when it is up, perhaps this is a bad idea. I do however wait a second to SS if I need to redrop a totem, shock, pop an instant heal or something like this.

I'm just curious does it really make any difference, other than SS has a chance to proc weapon buffs, dragonspine, etc if those are just going off their internal cooldowns?

SS gives you two opportunities (three?) to proc windfury, instantly, with mainhand getting the first opportunity. Using a windfury cooldown plugin of some kind (Disquettes is nice) allows you to see when WF is out of cooldown. If you Stormstrike when it's out of cooldown, you're giving yourself two, instant opportunities to get a proc.

This is purely playstyle. There is some DPS gain to be had with well timed SS's, however _always_ delaying them, just to hit the WFCD, probably has a detrimental effect on your DPS, as well as raid DPS if someone is using your Stormstrike debuff. It has been my experience that WFCD plugins are very helpful as hints. For example, if I can either Shock or SS, I will Shock first if that will let me SS out of WFCD, or drop totems, etc. I think that is what Rob was saying.

Side Note: You mentioned instant heals. Does casting an instant LHW w/ T5 set bonus reset the swing timer?

Yes, as does a NS'd heal if you have a silly spec.

*facepalm* thank you

[quote=Skiace;521775]It's not the weapon damage you should be concerned about (I presume you're talking about using it for leveling and not at 70) but rather the speed. It is much too fast, and I suspect the proc rate would have to be extremely high to make up for the speed.[/QUOTE

Yes it would be for leveling purposes and I am thinking axes because of my orc racial. You basically confirmed what I was thinking. I anticipated that WF would make up for the lower top end damage. The speed is what I was most curious apart. That axe is as fast as most daggers and as we all know, daggers are trash for a shaman.

Obviously you want a slow OH (I'm looking at 2.6 or slower weapons). What is the fastest MH I should consider. Based on your statement and a rethink of speed I would guess something atleast 2.2 or slower.

Not sure what level you are, but I really dont think weapon speed matters up until 50+ possibly later than that.

... disqodice? yeah its no longer on curse.

Is there another name the mod went by? I can't find it -any-where.

Why is that? People leveling will want the highest DPS possible aswell (I know I did anyway).

At freakishly low AP/Crit levels, 2 weapons with the highest listed dps with any enchants on them will be more than adequate. Shaman DW is broken from 40-58, nothing really blenders shit faster.

I don't know why people would want it now, but I put a link to a working version of the mod back in my sig.

I was looking for a stormstrike addon timer ... thing. Something more shaman friendly then the dull standard ui that blizzard gives us.

I've never used a ui for my shaman outside of ct raidmod back in the day and that wasn't really for shaman either.

Trying to get a better grasp on things i'd need for making my raiding more efficient.

I hope you don't pull it completely Disquette. Even with twisting eventually being 'fixed' I still find your mod the best for SS/WF, and shock cooldown timing. Even more usefull than the ones built into mods like Enhancer.

I was using Enhancer, which for some bizarre reason does not include a Stormstrike timer. Why? I do not know. Thanks Disquette.

I guess but i'm more confused at how one gets an 1850 rating? I mean I play for my team, we just hit 1900 rating but what constitutes a PERSON 1850 rating? Plus am I blind or was there not any season3 maces or offhands? I saw fist/dagger/axes/swords but i'm sure I didn't see a 1h Mace anywhere :/

You have to be on a team that has that rating. Not only that but you have to have been present for a certain percentage of all the matches played.

(To keep people from just joining a team to get the rating then leaving)

There is definatly a mace. It is the ugliest thing I have ever seen.

I think he meant lvl 40+, and that would be because that is when you get DW. Which means that that's when the cooldown becomes an issue. With 2h or 1h and shield the cooldown does not really matter, as it is doubtfull you will get any weapons to go below 1.5 seconds just with flurry, and there is no off hand to "steal" procs.

Dual Flurry Axes with Crusader. Ridiculously OP and fun for the whole family.

It's not confirmed to be a bug, but it just doesn't make very much sense, given that all 2H weapons have the rating requirement. My personal speculation is that people are intended to be able to buy the Off-Hand version without the rating requirement, but the One Hand version is supposed to require 1850 personal rating. (The caster offhands similarly don't have a rating requirement at current.) We really don't know though, and further speculation is probably pointless until the next set of changes rolls around or this thing goes live.

From 40-60, you can probably afford to use any weapons 2.00 speed or higher, as they won't fall beneath the 1.50 mark when Flurried. I would try to put the faster weapon in your MH, unless you have two fast weapons, in which case put the slow one in your MH and just Flametongue the OH. It's not like you really have to min-max at these levels, and running most dungeons over again to get the "perfect" drop pre-70 is a waste of time you could spend leveling up. I also haven't found it necessary to "twink" when leveling, but meh...

I didn't mean 40+, Shabadu summoned up my thoughts quite well.