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Old 11/15/07, 9:13 PM   #4926
Irukandji
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Korgath
Originally Posted by Illundai View Post
God, I love this patch. Did Full MH and up to Akama tonight and I love it so much . Infinite mana, more dps (hidden on the meters, but can be shown in WWS at least) and I feel like I can finally go all out. Haven't done Reliquary or Gurtogg yet, but I usually had to stop dps on at least Anetheron, RWC and HWLN. Didn't have to tonight ^^.

Here's the WWS: Khaelyn - WWS (one of our messier raids, but hell I couldn't care even if I tried, really enjoyed myself tonight)

I was chaindropping Fire Nova and Magma Totems on Hyjal trash, it really does nice damage if you check overall. 220k from Fire Nova, 180k from Searing and 90k from Magma Totem. But as everyone else has said, the biggest difference is Shamanistic Rage, oh dear god how I love it. Allows me to pull aggro from a mob without having too bad repercussions, allows me to mitigate damage such as Death & Decay, Doomfire, Unquenchable Flames, whatever other AoE. Not to mention the extra threat reduction.


It really changed my playstyle, I usually at least waited 5-10 sec before dpsing a mob, now I just went straight in together with all the other melee, it was pure heaven .

ive had the SAME experience, I am nothing but thrilled with these changes.

I currently use Wicked Edge of the Planes + Merciless Glad, and am looking to upgrade to RT/Syphon or Syphon/Syphon, but according to the Sim my DPS would go down with RT/Syphon and would only improve by 4dps with Syphon/Syphon... yet with Dragonstrike/Merciless Glad it goes up 14dps and Vengful Glad/Vengful Glad up 10dps... thinking about switching to mace spec and making a dragonstrike =/ Im pretty disappointed that the Syphons aren't a bigger upgrade.

The leather belt / helm that drop in ZA are amazing too - i am thrilled since my guild is only 2/5 3/9.

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Old 11/15/07, 9:54 PM   #4927
Kombinat
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Draenei Shaman
 
Dreadmaul
I'm ecstatic with these new changes, although I have to add the caveat that I'm yet to raid with them. With Shamanistic focus up Earth shock costs 181 mana. (I usually have the sound switched off in game so I can listen to TS/music. thie sound effect makes me wish I'd never switched it back on.) In my gear, with the SS debuff on the mob, it's hitting for about 1k-1.1k. The damage reduction from SR is also a big deal. I've only tested it while grinding mobs for rep and cash at the moment, but I like very much what I've seen of the changes.

I honestly think that enhancement shamans are very very good at grinding/farming mobs now. I was at legion hold last night grinding locks. People would show up, kill a few mobs, then notice that they could only get one of the three pylons. I had the other two locked down, my kill rate was so insane. The other benefit to grinding is that with so much mana efficiency I switched the 5 points I had in cheaper heals into imp healing wave, .5sec off cast times adds up over a 2 hour grinding session.

I realise this is just anecdotal evidence, but I'll try to get a wws parse up of tonight's ZA run. I'd much rather run that raid for as long as it takes to get some weapon upgrades than grind the 14k honour I need for a S1 weapon.

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Old 11/15/07, 10:06 PM   #4928
Mengus
Piston Honda
 
Orc Shaman
 
Zul'Jin
Originally Posted by Ikuturso View Post
Heads-up for Omen users: it appears Threat/Omen hasn't yet been updated to reflect the change to Spirit Weapons--thus, it's possible that you are judging your threat higher than it actually is.
NO WONDER! I was freaking riding 125% threat on VR, TRYING to die so I could battle ankh... and never pulled agro!

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Old 11/15/07, 10:17 PM   #4929
Mengus
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Orc Shaman
 
Zul'Jin
Enh/Resto DPS Breakdown

Someone wanted to know dps breakdown for Enh/Res spec, but this was only for VR: But I'm a bit undergeared compared to the Ele/Enh poster I suspect.

Melee 174,815 = 45%
Windfury Attack 131,397 = 34%
Flame Shock 47,929 = 12%
Earth Shock 2,196 = 0%
StormStrike 29,390 = 7%

Note, my earth shocks were 'accidents' as we had an Elemental Shammy, and I was trying to ONLY flame shock, but habit... Also, I was twisting TA Totem like crazy because I was at 100% threat for so long. I probably spent a decent chunk of time not attacking because I thought I was hitting too much threat earlier. My shock damage probably could have hit upwards of 15% with a FS/ES rotation.

Last edited by Mengus : 11/15/07 at 10:47 PM.

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Old 11/15/07, 11:03 PM   #4930
Tarnop
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Night Elf Druid
 
Terenas (EU)
Originally Posted by Ikuturso View Post
Heads-up for Omen users: it appears Threat/Omen hasn't yet been updated to reflect the change to Spirit Weapons--thus, it's possible that you are judging your threat higher than it actually is.
A quick look in the shaman module of Threat shows:

-- Sets the Spirit Weapons modifier at 0.3 if we're dealing with a 2.3.x build
local SpiritWeaponsModifier = (self.IsTwoPointThree and 0.3) or 0.15
I updated my Ace mods yesterday evening.

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Old 11/15/07, 11:05 PM   #4931
Dragonhoof
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Doomhammer (EU)
Originally Posted by Ikuturso View Post
Heads-up for Omen users: it appears Threat/Omen hasn't yet been updated to reflect the change to Spirit Weapons--thus, it's possible that you are judging your threat higher than it actually is.
And where do you have this information from?

I checked Omen\Libs\Threat-1.0\ClassModules\Shaman.lua and found:
-- Sets the Spirit Weapons modifier at 0.3 if we're dealing with a 2.3.x build
local SpiritWeaponsModifier = (self.IsTwoPointThree and 0.3) or 0.15

The file date is 28. Sep. 2007, so it seems like it is updated for spirit weapons since a long time already.

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Old 11/15/07, 11:51 PM   #4932
rava
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rava
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Originally Posted by Shabadu View Post
Here's Teron through Illidan +comedy DST lottery on Gruul. Shabadu - WWS
You inspired me to run a 15 man alt pug of horridness. I thank you for this inspiration because it actually dropped!

Son, to me a robot's just a garbage can with sparks comin' out it.

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Old 11/15/07, 11:54 PM   #4933
panny
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Barthilas
Originally Posted by Krom[Fenris] View Post
Also, one more thing, and I may have missed this being confirmed, but it seems that Stonebreaker Totem has a hidden cooldown of at least 10 seconds. I have yet to see it refresh the Elemental Strength buff on myself before it has worn off. I'm actually a little frustrated with the relic.
I said the Stonebreaker had a 10-11 second cooldown in my original posting... (can you put this in the OP Malan). Regardless, I got a 50%+ uptime on the buff on 0 resist targets (Blasted Lands Servants).


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Old 11/16/07, 12:44 AM   #4934
bestpike
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Orc Shaman
 
Dentarg (EU)
Malan, you write that Searing totem in 2.3 is doing 60-70dps. I wonder why mine was hitting for near or over 300 today (it variated). Thats 150 dps. Though i have call of flame talent, so 130 for enh/resto. That totem did 8% of my dps alone in void reaver. 150 dps that doesnt cause threat. what else can an enhancement shaman ask for...

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Old 11/16/07, 3:06 AM   #4935
sarf
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Human Paladin
 
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Threat-lib issues

Threat lib had a bug where it never detected the new 2.3 version (Antiarc posted about it in the Omen/ThreatLib thread).

It should be fixed now.

(essentially, he had forgotten to retrieve the actual version number and just used a constant "2.2.0" instead)

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Old 11/16/07, 3:49 AM   #4936
Ikuturso
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Kilrogg (EU)
Curious--I didn't check the code when I claimed it hasn't been updated, when it apparently has. Why I claimed that, though, was that yesterday, and even now (r54414.10) hitting a mob for 1000 melee damage causes Omen to display 850 threat, at least on my system. That should be only 700, right?

edit: the version check is the culprit, and the bug is still live. Specifically, self.IsTwoPointThree does not return true at the moment, so we are getting too much threat displayed on Omen. If it doesn't get fixed by your raid today, you can change the line quoted above to
local SpiritWeaponsModifier = 0.3

Last edited by Ikuturso : 11/16/07 at 4:27 AM.

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Old 11/16/07, 4:18 AM   #4937
Bragor
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Draenei Shaman
 
Grim Batol (EU)
Thanks for the omen heads up even though it was a bit late .

Best part about this latest patch was my whole play style changed.

I was basically dropping WF - Str then chilling for a sec then going in waiting for 3~4 seconds untill everything proced then dropped healing stream and searing totem.

It's fun seeing healing stream tick for 120+ on RoS

Seems it's time to start gemming my gear with 15+ stamina gems.

I just hit an all out low of 8k UB hp >_<.

Time to drop Blacksmithing & pick up enchanting for the 4+ to all stats.

Last edited by Bragor : 11/16/07 at 4:37 AM.

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Old 11/16/07, 11:12 AM   #4938
Stigmata
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Tauren Druid
 
Al'Akir (EU)
I decided to quit a few weeks since, and until I accidently clicked on this bookmark had completely forgot about patch 2.3

Just wondering how it all turned out with the shaman changes? I have only seen 1 link to a WWS by someone with similar gear to what I had, (shabadu) can anyone else link some please, still interested in what sort of differences there are between pre 2.3 and post 2.3

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Old 11/16/07, 11:27 AM   #4939
Delita
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Sargeras
The reason you are seeing an increase in Searing Totem DPS is the new AP -> spell damage talent in enhancement. In my current AP gear I have just under 500 +Spell damage... An increase of.... 500? I wonder if the temporary AP increase WF applies to the paper doll affects your spell damage for a split second? I wonder if you fluked out you could get an ES for 2300+ with the right conditions in T5 equivalent gear.

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Old 11/16/07, 11:31 AM   #4940
Neithan
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Draenei Shaman
 
Draenor (EU)
Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
I decided to quit a few weeks since, and until I accidently clicked on this bookmark had completely forgot about patch 2.3

Just wondering how it all turned out with the shaman changes? I have only seen 1 link to a WWS by someone with similar gear to what I had, (shabadu) can anyone else link some please, still interested in what sort of differences there are between pre 2.3 and post 2.3

WTF you must be kidding me

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Old 11/16/07, 11:49 AM   #4941
Igniter
King Hippo
 
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Dwarf Paladin
 
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Ner'zhul
Originally Posted by panny View Post
I said the Stonebreaker had a 10-11 second cooldown in my original posting... (can you put this in the OP Malan). Regardless, I got a 50%+ uptime on the buff on 0 resist targets (Blasted Lands Servants).
Yeah I was wondering why that wasn't in the OP, had reservations about using the totem until I saw updated math with the CD info.

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This thread is hurting my self-esteem because I've never been hit on (to my knowledge) by a gay man. :/

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Old 11/16/07, 12:12 PM   #4942
Patrik
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Tauren Shaman
 
Drak'thul (EU)
Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
.. can anyone else link some please ..
Wow Web Stats . Planning on return with Sunwell Plateau, Stigmata?

Anyway, I have to agree with what's been already said here - no need to hold back due to threat, more damage, better on the spot heals, Shamanistic rage acting as a Diet Shield wall, close to none manaproblems, I consider this patch nice early Christmas present.

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Old 11/16/07, 12:24 PM   #4943
Simprider
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Kazzak (EU)
Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
can anyone else link some
WWS

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Old 11/16/07, 1:45 PM   #4944
Igniter
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Dwarf Paladin
 
<AHH>
Ner'zhul
Originally Posted by Neithan View Post
WTF you must be kidding me
I know, such a crime.


Wow Web Stats
If I had known about the omen thing I could of gone a lot harder on Teron instad of constantly twisting TA/WF, at times even backing away. >_>

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This thread is hurting my self-esteem because I've never been hit on (to my knowledge) by a gay man. :/

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Old 11/16/07, 2:55 PM   #4945
Ilmatar
Piston Honda
 
Worgen Druid
 
Feathermoon
Originally Posted by panny View Post
I said the Stonebreaker had a 10-11 second cooldown in my original posting... (can you put this in the OP Malan). Regardless, I got a 50%+ uptime on the buff on 0 resist targets (Blasted Lands Servants).
I had a 50% uptime in the Maulgar fight, and slightly less on Gruul. The resist % was around the same. Our WWS parses got de-synched though due to some people running outdated Recount and lagging out as a result. I think like 5+ people in the raid were relogging around grow 9. I will get better data on Sunday in TK.

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Old 11/16/07, 3:46 PM   #4946
Rapparee
Piston Honda
 
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Draenei Shaman
 
Bloodhoof
WWS 2.2 vs. 2.3

This week is attunement week for us, so thankfully I have WWS parses from pre2.3 of the same bosses.
Also, before 2.3, I was a habitual totem twister with medium to low earth shock usage.
I've since honed my twisting skills and with 2.3 I use a ton of earth shock while still twisting to nearly 100% uptime of WF. I've not found an addon that counts debuffs on bosses, so I've not used flame shock all too often, fearing that I'd knock tongues off or something drastic.

2.2 _ the bladefist+merci glad axe, leatherboots from kara, no t5 4piece bonus, no band of devastation
Wow Web Stats i healed for morogrim, i interrupted priest on FL
Wow Web Stats

2.3_ syphon+syphon
Wow Web Stats
i interrupted priest on FL (so just look at my damage against Karathress himself)
On Vashj, i got the first two charges, so I did nearly zero damage in phase1.

Wow, i wish i could just delete this post. I was merely trying to put up what could be useful WWS information and it turns out that I did substantially less damage in 2.3 than in 2.2. Of course Leotheras is a terrible example to use, but Karathress and Vashj aren't shining examples of melee not influenced by randomness either. All in all, my data more or less just shows that in SSC, it doesn't matter what gear I'm wearing or what changes Blizzard does to my talents. The less than melee friendliness of the area counters any gearing decisions I could make. Hopefully keying is done and on Sunday or Monday, i can look through WWS of tier6 content and have some real results for folks, which I'll do some math on first, before wasting a post.

Last edited by Rapparee : 11/16/07 at 4:12 PM.

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Old 11/16/07, 4:25 PM   #4947
Illundai
Bald Bull
 
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Orc Death Knight
 
Talnivarr (EU)
Originally Posted by Stigmata View Post
I decided to quit a few weeks since, and until I accidently clicked on this bookmark had completely forgot about patch 2.3

Just wondering how it all turned out with the shaman changes? I have only seen 1 link to a WWS by someone with similar gear to what I had, (shabadu) can anyone else link some please, still interested in what sort of differences there are between pre 2.3 and post 2.3
Wow Web Stats

Edit: Silly me, I respecced resto for some arena... But I know what your gear was like, I'm about at the same level now. (T6 helm, gloves and shoulders, midnight chestguard, bracers and neck from anetheron, cloak of darkness, DS + Syphon, Stonebreakers totem, Belt of One-Hundred Deaths, Bow-Stitched leggings, Soft-Step boots from Teron, exalted hyjal ring and unstoppable aggressor, DST + Ashtongue trinket)

Last edited by Illundai : 11/16/07 at 5:45 PM.

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Old 11/16/07, 5:54 PM   #4948
SentinelBorg
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Tauren Shaman
 
Blackrock (EU)
Major Flurry Bug:

Just read it here and now tested it myself. If you have only one flurry charge left, you wont proc flurry with the next critical hit.

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Old 11/16/07, 6:12 PM   #4949
rava
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rava
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Originally Posted by SentinelBorg View Post
Major Flurry Bug:

Just read it here and now tested it myself. If you have only one flurry charge left, you wont proc flurry with the next critical hit.
Thanks for the heads up. Went and tested it myself just to be sure before I posted on the US forums and it is indeed broken.

WoW Forums -> [Bug] Flurry is broken if you care.

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Old 11/16/07, 6:50 PM   #4950
Tahirne
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Tauren Shaman
 
Draenor
Originally Posted by Ikuturso View Post
Heads-up for Omen users: it appears Threat/Omen hasn't yet been updated to reflect the change to Spirit Weapons--thus, it's possible that you are judging your threat higher than it actually is.
Thank you so much for this information, Last night during ZA I was completely confused when I went over our tanks and didn't pull.
We didn't bring a paladin, No salvation for the night.

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