Enhance Shaman: The Collected Works of Theorycraft, Vol I - Page 216

Malan · 12/03/07, 11:28 AM

I believe someone had asked for a mod awhile back that would let them monitor their spell damage? Found this on WoWace forums today.
http://www.wowace.com/wiki/PowerDisplay

Helisstra · 12/03/07, 1:09 PM

I have a little question, maybe someone else aldready ask it but i don't want to read all 216 pages and on the first post, the answer is not there...

Which enchant should we put on ring? 4 all stats or 2 weapon dmg?

Thx

Malan · 12/03/07, 1:14 PM

Amazingly, using the "Search this thread" function in the upper right with the terms "enchant ring damage stats" yields many applicable results, including one that directly answers your question. I will decline linking it for you, "Feed a man a fish..." and all that jazz you know.

Thebeat · 12/03/07, 1:41 PM

Malan are you going to try for some armor penetration gear to go along with the enchant or just sticking to BT/Hyjal gear? I'm thinking of getting the hibernation chest piece but I don't have a weapon that I want to put executioner on (hopefully that'll change soon since we just got into hyjal) and everyone seems to say that executioner gets better with some armor pen gear.

Malan · 12/03/07, 1:53 PM

I'd like to get some more Armor Penetration but all the gear I've looked at is numerically inferior to stuff without that stat. Most of the cool stuff with haste and Armor Penetration lack sockets for one thing.

Boro · 12/03/07, 2:08 PM

Got locks complaining Syphon is eating debuffs...apparantly its on Ej somewhere but I can't find it.

Anyone got any ideas or confirmation if its true?

Or are they dropping do you thing to the limit?

Thanks

Malan · 12/03/07, 2:13 PM

Originally Posted by Boro

Got locks complaining Syphon is eating debuffs...apparantly its on Ej somewhere but I can't find it.

Anyone got any ideas or confirmation if its true?

Or are they dropping do you thing to the limit?

Thanks

You know you can easily test this with a warlock, yourself, and a mob all in about 5 minutes or less, right?

Boro · 12/03/07, 2:19 PM

Yes I know Malan but i am in Hyjal atm so just thought i would check :-) will let you know though

berg · 12/03/07, 2:24 PM

Syphon applies a buff to yourself only. It acts more like flurry than any of our other mechanics.

I am not sure I understand how it can be knocking off warlock debuffs. If there is any data to support this I would be curious to learn more.

Malan · 12/03/07, 2:26 PM

I'm sure he means that the warlocks are saying its eating the Improved ShadowBolt debuff. Not really knocking a debuff off, just eating a charge. Again, not hard to test though, even in the middle of Hyjal. Just have the warlock and you go off and make merry with a mob that nobody else is on for a few moments.

berg · 12/03/07, 2:31 PM

I understand. In that case the drain is definitely shadow school so that seems very plausible.

Mengus · 12/03/07, 2:47 PM

Originally Posted by Rodandwa

Speaking of big numbers and summing WF damage, does anyone know of a mod that will total up your attack + WF damage in the combat log? Ideally would do so for Stormstrike and Windfury. Something like:

You hit mob for 300.
Your Windfury Attack crits mob for 1000.
Your Windfury Attack hits mob for 500.
Your total attack hits mob for 1800.

There are a few addons that do this, Shaman Friend for one. But probably a few others as well.

Weem · 12/03/07, 3:10 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Question - what value are people using for Meta Gem sockets in Pawn? I need a better way to compare a helm with RED to a helm with 3 normal sockets. My current Pawn string just gives meta gems like 50 EP or so but it results in some odd values.

I always used 75 EP for the RED. I finally found the post that I got this number from: Enhance Shaman: The Collected Works of Theorycraft, Vol I. Unfortunately, there's no math, just an estimate. As for comparisons sake, whether you assume 50 or 75 EP for RED, from worst to best based off of my EP values you're looking at Cyclone Helm (199 or 224 EP), Coif of the Jungle Stalker (238 EP), Grimgrin Faceguard (255 EP). Cataclysm Helm (257 or 282 EP).

Illundai · 12/03/07, 3:43 PM

I tested Syphon vs ISB a while back. It doesn't consume charges, or at least it didn't when I tested it a few weeks ago.

Malan · 12/03/07, 3:46 PM

That post is also just referring to the Enhance addon/model, so yah, not too helpful I'm afraid. What I'm trying to figure out is when 3 normal sockets beats 1 socket + Meta. I'm trying to figure out if some of the new ZA/Badge helms are worth taking over my T4 helm and not having much success in deciding.

Weem · 12/03/07, 4:03 PM

I'm more or less in the same boat at the moment. Personally, I don't think I would replace my T4 with the Coif of the Jungle Stalker but I definitely would with Grimgrin Faceguard.

drats · 12/03/07, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

I'd like to get some more Armor Penetration but all the gear I've looked at is numerically inferior to stuff without that stat. Most of the cool stuff with haste and Armor Penetration lack sockets for one thing.

The belt off the first boss in ZA (Bladeangel's Money Belt - Items - World of Warcraft) is pretty nice for Armor Pen, especially if you can get one of the blue agi/str heroic gems. The new PvP ring (Vindicator's Band of Triumph - Items - World of Warcraft) also has decent stats plus Armor Pen.

Aside from those two pieces, I don't think there's much out there that has Armor Pen and decent stats.

As far as the T4 helm vs the leather Zul'jin helm (Grimgrin Faceguard - Items - World of Warcraft), I'm seeing more DPS from the ZA helm. The Hex Lord mail helm is probably a better upgrade(Coif of the Jungle Stalker - Items - World of Warcraft). There's only a 13 ilevel difference between the ZA helms and T4, but it seems like the stats with gems more than make up for it in EP.

Shabadu · 12/03/07, 4:24 PM

[Signet of Primal Wrath] is very very good once you're capable of taking down 3 bosses on the timer. A group with a solid AoE tank and some good AoE can easily get dragonhawk down with a few minutes to spare.

SentinelBorg · 12/03/07, 5:18 PM

Originally Posted by Shabadu

[Signet of Primal Wrath] is very very good once you're capable of taking down 3 bosses on the timer. A group with a solid AoE tank and some good AoE can easily get dragonhawk down with a few minutes to spare.

Yes, this ring rocks. Also got it a week ago. Was quiet suprised when we opened the chest. ^^

Speaking about macros, I use this one for twisting and shocking:

#showtooltip
/startattack
/castsequence reset=3/combat Stormstrike, Earth Shock, Windfury Totem, Grace of Air Totem, Water Shield, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Windfury Totem, Grace of Air Totem, Flame Shock

Skiace · 12/03/07, 5:51 PM

Originally Posted by Weem

I'm more or less in the same boat at the moment. Personally, I don't think I would replace my T4 with the Coif of the Jungle Stalker but I definitely would with Grimgrin Faceguard.

This is the decision I came to as well, although we are starting Vashj attempts this week so I'm tempted to just wait for T5.

Originally Posted by SentinelBorg

Yes, this ring rocks. Also got it a week ago. Was quiet suprised when we opened the chest. ^^

Speaking about macros, I use this one for twisting and shocking:

#showtooltip
/startattack
/castsequence reset=3/combat Stormstrike, Earth Shock, Windfury Totem, Grace of Air Totem, Water Shield, Flame Shock, Stormstrike, Windfury Totem, Grace of Air Totem, Flame Shock

Forgive my ignorance, but if the reset=3, how do you ever get past the second spell in that macro with a 1.5sec global cooldown?

SentinelBorg · 12/03/07, 5:59 PM

Originally Posted by Skiace

This is the decision I came to as well, although we are starting Vashj attempts this week so I'm tempted to just wait for T5.

Forgive my ignorance, but if the reset=3, how do you ever get past the second spell in that macro with a 1.5sec global cooldown?

Every new button press resets the reset-timer. So it only resets, if you don't push the macro-button for 3 sec.

Malan · 12/03/07, 6:10 PM

More importantly, why are you constantly refreshing water shield? You *want* it to run out. If you keep refreshing it and are not being hit you never get the mana!

SentinelBorg · 12/03/07, 6:35 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

More importantly, why are you constantly refreshing water shield? You *want* it to run out. If you keep refreshing it and are not being hit you never get the mana!

This part is optional, but there are enough fights in BT, where Water shield is contantly triggered. With 2.3.2, you can always let it stay in the macro.

Ecomix · 12/03/07, 10:24 PM

In the OP it states that the Syphon, Dragonstrike, and Rising Tide are all fairly close to each other in terms of DPS.

My question is, what is the most desired/perfect combination? I have Dragonstrike currently and will get the Syphon/Tide whenever they drop, but I don't want to take something I won't use.

So basically

DragonStrike/Syphon
DragonStrike/Rising Tide
Rising Tide/Syphon (Vice Versa)
Syphon/Syphon

What would you take if you could have any of the desired combinations?

EDIT- The proc from Dragonstrike is the only haste item I have currently and picking up a DST is not an option as my guild no longer runs Gruuls lair at all. Is the haste proc worth keeping it this late into the raiding game?

tzenes · 12/04/07, 1:20 AM

Originally Posted by Malan

That post is also just referring to the Enhance addon/model, so yah, not too helpful I'm afraid. What I'm trying to figure out is when 3 normal sockets beats 1 socket + Meta. I'm trying to figure out if some of the new ZA/Badge helms are worth taking over my T4 helm and not having much success in deciding.

My hunch would be no.

On my latest hyjal attempt crits made up 36% of my total dps.
meaning the 3% bonus crit damage made up 1.05% of my total dps, on top of which I'm getting 12 agil also out of the meta socket.
at my aep values 12 agil ~= 10 str
and 1.05% of my total dps on that fight was about 10dps
so the 1.05% of your total dps would have to be less than whatever you were putting in that third socket for the 3 socket to beat out the 1+meta.

However, you also have to take into account the difference between the ep of the two helms.

So, assuming you're socketing BT/MH gems, the 3s ep - meta ep > 1.05% of your totaldps - 10str

It should also be noted that I have about 30% unbuffed crit chance, and I've been stacking it every since I picked up the prism of inner calm. For example I've been using greater agility over 120ap flasks; while I lose some dps, the tps lost is even larger.

edit: changed aep to ep to compile with the latest convention