About the Ashtongue Talisman: It looks like the 50% chance works for every hit of a Stormstrike attack. Because of that, the uptime is around 75%.
And also a section about threat reducement would be nice.
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Please don't quote things already proven false, its pretty damn clear you haven't properly read what was written or you wouldn't be signing that post either.
As I said before, at first I observed a proc rate of around 80% when dual wielding and assumed this was caused by 2 weapons each having a 50% proc (which would give 75% uptime, well within acceptable range of 80% for the number of stormstrikes I had time to do). However EU servers went down before I had time to test with just 1 weapon to see if it really was a 'dual 50%' proc or just plain high. The proc rate observed with 1 weapon was once again 80%+ showing it had nothing to do with dual wield and that the '50%' label on the trinket is false.
In full Enhance Build with Elemental Weapons (+40% WF Damage) and Weapon Mastery(+10% Melee Damage)
Put in an AP value that you will have when completely buffed with all procs and totems included (c) Disquette
MainHand Damage
(<Weapon Damage>+AP/14*<Weapon Speed>)*110%
MainHand WF
(<Weapon Damage>+(AP+WFAP+<Totem of the Astral Winds>)/14*<Weapon Speed>)*110%*140%
Hedin, you should probably note that you don't plan on Unleashed Rage giving additional bonuses in that example. Or perhaps make it clear that you mean "put in an AP value that you will have when completely buffed with all procs and totems included". By the way, I like that you adjusted the formula properly for OH WF 2.1 :-)
Malan, I'm not sure where you're getting that. The only 10% I see in there is from Weapon Mastery, which does affect the overall swing.
A very interesting thread with a lot of good info in it, thanks to all those who have contributed so far.
I'm currently elemental, but the guild has no enhancement shamans so our melle do pathetic DPS, I'm currently collecting enhancement gear and will respec this tuesday when i get this weeks arena points for the mace.
I got the [Darkmoon Card: Wrath] and will give it a try, it looks promising, should be quite nice for my very low level gear.
I also have this weapon [Rivenspike], I plan to try in my offhand -600 AC raid wide buff would fit quite well with my role as enhancement, being one of very few 2.9 weapons, I'm hoping it will still produce resonable WF dps when my AP gets up. At level 60 this weapon proc didn't work because of the low debuff limit and 40 people it would just get pushed right off, at 70 my raid runs very low on shadow priests and locks. I also have the [Bashguuder] with any luck I will beable to duel wield them the first 10 seconds of the fight to get 3 procs, then just have the offhand keep the proc up.
Am I reading that wrong or something? Isn't he saying that 10% Weapon Dmg = 12AP or 1 DPS?
AP is a buff to DPS but it is realized as addtional damage added to each swing so I believe what he is saying is that weapon mastery multiplies the damage of the swing and therefor multiplies the contribution of AP and therefor with weapon mastery 12AP is roughly equal to 1DPS instead of the unbuffed value of 16ishAP per DPS.
At least I hope that's what's going on otherwise I just embarassed myself by posting in a melee thread.
AP is a buff to DPS but it is realized as addtional damage added to each swing so I believe what he is saying is that weapon mastery multiplies the damage of the swing and therefor multiplies the contribution of AP and therefor with weapon mastery 12AP is roughly equal to 1DPS instead of the unbuffed value of 16ishAP per DPS.
At least I hope that's what's going on otherwise I just embarassed myself by posting in a melee thread.
Oh ok, that makes more sense. I thought he meant that Weapon Mastery was equivelant to 1 DPS, and that seemed pretty far fetched.
On consumables - is there a clear winner on which Pots/Elixirs to use? I know quite a few people use Flask of Relentless Assault, I was using Fel Strength until recently and then started using Agility pots instead. Whats the order of importance of the three?
On consumables - is there a clear winner on which Pots/Elixirs to use? I know quite a few people use Flask of Relentless Assault, I was using Fel Strength until recently and then started using Agility pots instead. Whats the order of importance of the three?
I've got a bit of money to burn, so I usually use Fel strength/Mageblood and then grab some Scrolls of Strength and AGI V.
On consumables - is there a clear winner on which Pots/Elixirs to use? I know quite a few people use Flask of Relentless Assault, I was using Fel Strength until recently and then started using Agility pots instead. Whats the order of importance of the three?
Well using Pater's AEP values:
Flask = 120
Major Agility = 110
Fel Strength = 90
Major Strength = 77
I'd say the flask is the clear winner, especially for content where you will be wiping. For easier farm stuff agi gives better bang for the buck than the other pots.
Strange. Do you think its just bugged? Maybe checking to see if the other effects for elemental and resto are also the same higher proc rate would be a good idea.
Edit - added this info as a note to the trinket section to indicate that it might be bugged.
According to some comments on wowhead, the effects on darkmoon cards wrath and crusade stack on themselves, meaning you could use x2 wrath or crusade. That'd be pretty nuts with double crusade, a static benefit of 240 ap.
I don't do much math theorycrafting, but from reading the posts in this thread and others I would think the trinket hierarchy would be something like
Ashtongue > Tsunami > DST > Hourglass > Bloodlust Brooch > Abacus > Crusade/Wrath
Any thoughts? Maybe I'm way off, and I'm not sure where prism of inner calm would fit into there.
Ashtongue = 234 assuming 85% uptime.
Dragonspine = 202.5 assuming 1.5ppm, I get higher ppm in testing but not in raids so this is probably a conservative estimate.
Betrayer = 112 + proc which I'm not sure how to value, someone on wowhead is claiming 2-2.5 ppm on a sword rogue which seems pretty significant.
Tsunami = 141 assuming 0.9 ppm.
Crusade = 120 once it's stacked up which should take 10-15s, so a bit less in practice.
Bloodlust Brooch = 118.3.
Hourglass = 109 assuming 0.9 ppm.
Abacus = 107.3.
Wrath = too hard for me to figure out, another thread came to the conclusion it was quite poor for anyone with a reasonable amount of crit though.
I don't have any numbers yet because the WWS hasn't been uploaded, but i can confirm similar results with the ashtongue trinket, i'd say 9/10 SS would result in me having the buff.
Running with 35-40% crit and 2700AP is damn nice.
I broke 1400 DPS on Akama and 1200 on teron this evening.
On the pot/flask debate, I prefer agility, flask has the benefit to not reapplying it, but 5 pots usually does me a full nights raiding since we don't have the learning part now.
Just need dragonspine now, killing gruul since 17th Feb 07, had only 1 drop
I prefer flasking right now; depending on how cheap marks of the illidari are on your server it is actually rather cheap. I can get marks for ~15g on Malganis if I'm diligent in AH trolling. Another thing in flasking's favor is EJ pc's and internet connections are always terrible in the summer for some unknown reason, and until recently I had a <6 fps on many boss fights leading to my untimely demise more often than I would like.
Okay i just saw the new violet eye rewards, and the leather chest kinda caught my eyes, (http://www.worldofraids.com/news/new...ye-rewards.jpg) is it worth it to farm for it? I currently have the nightbane mail chest, but i seriously need more hit.
Note about trinklets: dont forget Drake Fang Talisman while you theorycraft best trinklets dps or best-to-worse order. Ppl who were ench pre-TBC still have them! IMO, the first trinklet will replace that in my case is Madness of the Betrayer (especially since we stopped raiding ssc to have more raiding days for MH/BT).
07/12/07, 2:42 PM
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