Quick question about Yo!'s simulator, do I have to add the +3% hit from Nature's Guidance into the hit textbox in addition to the hit I get from hit rating? Or is that 3% already calculated in my character sheet?

You mean 9% Hit (assuming you have 3/3 in NG which would be pretty silly if you didn't). And yes, you have to add it to the % from your gear, its not part of the character sheet.

My bad, I thought that the Dual Wielding talent listed in the Procs & Stuff tab referred to the Dual Wield specialization, no wonder I was getting absurdly high hit rating values. Thanks for that Malan.

I'm kind of confused on what I'm doing wrong. From running the Simulators and gearing up the way the posts show, Im still sitting pretty low on the DPS scales. I've seen other parses where you guys are standing strong with the Rogues with 1200 - 1400 DPS, the Highest I've achieved is 1150 on a Tidewalker fight. I'm not using macros for the twist right now, but I am using Disquetes bar and generally have the totems on time about 95 percent of the time. (I will use the macros as it will make my life much easier)

On Kael I pulled 909 DPS where the Top 3 (2 Rogues and a Hunter) pulled around 1200 each. Does that sound right?

here is the parse on the fight if your interested

Whodi - WWS

and here is my armory too

The World of Warcraft Armory

Thx for any help

You lack Sprint and Ranged attacks. The hunter is able to DPS a lot longer on multiple targets than you can. The rogues are able to reduce movement time between targets at various points of the fight. So yah perfectly reasonable.

I like the 2 points in concussion, as from a pure dps standpoint, after you put the minimum in resto to get 3% hit and totem range, you have two points left over. They can either go into imp lightning shield, anticipation, or slightly more shock damage. I figured shock damage would be the straight dps option, as you get more mileage out of it then LS, and anticipation shouldn't be something to rely on in pve anyway. Or you would be gemming for HP in that case.

From a quick glance at your gear I would say if you're getting 1150 dps on tidewalker you are doing a pretty good job, you aren't going to see anywhere near 1400 dps untill you're well into BT/Hyjal gear (Anyone who can do 1400 in T5 I want to see logs of!).

As for Kael It's not exactly a fight that you can compare damage on, theres so many random factors and different class roles combined with periods where you can't even dps, anywhere around 900-1000 dps would be easily acceptable.

So I guess just keep up the good work!

Your dps should jump up pretty rapidly once you get your t6 as well, as the itemization there is much better overall then the T5 selection. I started replacing SSC hunter gear with rogue gear almost immediately when we got to Hyjal/BT. Access to the epic gems helps a lot as well with how fast we scale with more STR.

Brooch of Deftness will, at the least, eventually be a higher-DPS item for you (if it isn't already), and it comes with 48 STA instead of 0, so it's a switch I'd make.

To be completely correct, 0 hit from gear is needed if you have the 9% hit from talents, because WF and SS misses cannot crit. (You would still have very good UR uptime with 30% crit and 0 hit from talents, but it might be 95% and not 100%.)

Edit:
Well, nevermind, I just ran it through Yo's sim and apparently you have 99% UR uptime instead of 100%. Could just be a rounding difference. Still, crits from WF and SS do help Flurry uptime. (At 30% crit, Flurry uptime increases from 81% to 83% as you go from 0% to 9% hit.)

Your gear is good, your spec is good. Competing with rogues -- who are rightly the best melee dps in the game, and who are also getting 5-15% extra damage from Windfury -- is rough, and shouldn't be your goal. In my experience if you beat a rogue, it's only because you outgear him.

Hitting drums of battle, chain chugging haste pots and totem twisting are good ways to maximize your personal DPS, as is timing your Brooch with haste procs. But none of these is getting you 300+ dps, only T6 can help with that.

My only criticism from that WWS is that your damage % from shocks seems low, and it may be because you weren't using Flame Shock. FS is the BEST shock we have in just about every situation, and using it every other rotation will also open up 2 charges of Stormstrike debuff for your elemental, who will love you for it.

Theoretically 100% UR uptime is only possible if all of your hits always crit. With a less than 100% crit rate, there is always the minimal chance of not critting at all for 10 seconds.

That should be discussed in the Addon section of these forums.

Also "Search" function gave me a few links on this very same topic.

Ignoring the 2 roll system for SS, your chance of not critting once per 10s is ((1 - (crit precentage /100)) ^ chances to crit) * 100. Assuming 2.6 weapons hasted 75% of the time with Flurry and a wf procrate of ~5s, you're getting 9.4 regular chances to crit plus roughly 6 chances from wf/ss. That's ~15 chances to proc UR in 10s. At 26% crit, the chance is 99%. At 30% crit, the chance drops to 99.5, which in sims usually rounds up to 100%.

Quibbling inside that 1% isn't worth our time.

Thank you for backing up my position and arguments in my discussion with my raidleader. Perhaps I should seek another? :-(

I have to thank for your given advice, too. At the moment I'm wearing Mail 1. out of RP-reasons and 2. at rare occasions I have to tank i.e.: 'Blindauge' (Maulgar). Seems to me you are right, Leather is a worthy consideration if it comes to optimizing dps. But I always have to share it with the Rogues.

My fast OH axe ist the next item I hope to get rid of. I'm currently working on it.

Pulling threat? Only over my dead body! ;-)

This is supposed to be a formula for calculating Flurry uptime with 35% crit. How is it derived?
(1-0.01*35) is obviously the non-crit percentage, but what's the ^4.4 from?

Thanks.

Only if he's unreasonable when presented with the math. Interestingly enough, I just picked up an upgrade that increased my hit rating by about 2% and dropped my crit by 1% and my AP by about 10. DPS remains stable (but now I have the T4 set bonus, which my melee group will love).

Well, don't burn your mail! I keep a shield and a set of high(er) stam & armor gear for "tanking" and arena. Just remember, though: SR and your shield offer a greater benefit than all your other armor combined.

True, but if your RL wants you to increase your DPS he's going to have to give you access to gear that will do it. And the fact is that the best mail at the T4 level is worse for enhancement shamans than the best leather. Compare [Maulgar's Warhelm] with [Malefic Mask of the Shadows]. You're talking about a 40+ EP difference (and all from hit rating, no less).

Don't neglect badge rewards -- no need to compete with rogues for that, and it is killer stuff -- and there's good craftables as well. More than half of my current gear is rep rewards, badge rewards, craftables and PvP gear.

A great replacement is only 18,000 honor away.

It isn't wrong, just implausible and not worth mentioning.

Multiplication is commutative. x% of y % of n is the same as y% of x% of n.

No, its wrong (as well as being implausible and not worth mentioning). He says that only a crit rate of 100% can produce 100% uptime on SR, which is incorrect. You don't need a crit on every swing to achieve that, you need 1 (or more) crits per 10 second period for 100%. You simply solved for the "close to 100%" solution which we all subscribe to - that a 30% crit rate achieves "good enough" results to call it 100%, but somewhere between 30% and 100% crit you would achieve a full 100% uptime before hitting 100% crit rate.

It's not wrong. Without a 100% crit rate, you can enter combat and get a miss/dodge/parry/glancing blow on your first attack, meaning UR does not proc. It won't proc until that first crit. That means that technically you have not achieved 100% UR uptime. It's a moot point and purely academic. The discussion is pointless. In practice, 30% crit rate or more establishes a constant uptime. That's all that matters.

Can we please consider the case closed now a move on to more valuable discussions, like whether hit rating is better than crit rating? :P

Total number of attacks in the time before Flurry would expire. With only autoattacks you use 3 here (since Flurry lasts for 3 charges), but with a 40% chance of an attack per normal attack it gets bumped to 4.2 (1.4*3=4.2), and I estimated Stormstrike low at a further 0.2 attacks using dual 2.6 speed weapons as an assumption. However the 4.2 number also ignores any potential WF proc overlaps, so I think a value between 4.25 and 4.5 is going to be reasonably accurate for most shamans.

This is in fact very correct, however the odds of it happening are so ridiculously low that it is really not worth discussing.

This would explain my very high hit EP numbers using YO!'s simulator which went against everything else that has been discussed. Also, my trinkets are currently active use, so I have to manually add the prorated AP into my totals. Does this also need to be done for Blood Fury since I speak orcish?

Yes, follow the same convention of figuring out the "average" value of the buff if you were to use it ever CD on the dot. The trinket section in the OP has numerous examples.