I think we should wait till 2.4 when Blizz is gonna chance combat log mechanics so we can include totems in our damage too. But still, even now as enhc/restro spec shocks are around 10% of my damage (average, varies from 8-12% depending on the fight, really have no idea about my totem damage)

Sorry to resurrect this post, but I've been curious about the Syphon proc since I won this mace. I sometimes see procs for up to 42 leeched HP. I know it is shadow damage and thus buffed by shadoweaving, misery, etc, but 42? Thats more than 2x the original proc.

Here's our WWS from last night: Gnipgnop - WWS (please don't freak out at my dps. I completely overhauled my UI and it was a lot more difficult to manage than I anticipated :P)

Comments on WoWHead indicate it's a 20dmg proc, effected by debuffs.
Your averages were 24 on Trash, 25 on Supremus and Teron, 26 on High Warlord, and a whopping 35 on Shade.

I am guessing that you hit the 42 on somewhere Shade, and that the proc can crit, getting +50% of the effect damage. That's where the 42 came from, probably a 34dmg proc that crit.

I didnt find any satisfying reasons as to why Ele/Enh is worse than Resto/Enh.

Asuming just from the Enhance tree w/o any other points spend:
white dmg 40%
WF 35%
SS 15%
Shocks 10%

Restotree: +3 hit to melee/spells:
40% * 1,03 = 41,2% (the hit will increase the white dmg for about 3%)
35% * (1+(0,8*0,03) = 35,84% (about every fifth hit is from SS, so we have 2,4% more hits to procc WF)
15% = 15% (SS is capped w/o restotree)
10% * 1,03 = 10,3% (Shocks will hit 3% more)

41,2+35,84+15+10,3= 102,34% compared to nothing but Enh-tree


Eletree: +5% shockdmg, *20% faster CD
90% will be unchanced
10% *1,05*1,2=12,6

90% +12,6= 102,6% compared to only Enh-tree.

If you factor crit in both examples (which I'm to lazy for, since point is proven fr me now), the impact of crit will lessen even more, since in a one-roll system it wont raise the dps by one 1%.


Please prove me wrong, or help me to find a post in this overly huge thread which shows me better math (than my bad try at it).

Please take the Elem vs Resto discussion to the newly created thread for that purpose. That way we can restrict such discussion there so that people actually have a searchable/readable reference point for it.

Hiya,

Something not mentioned in the relic slot section in the first post is the possibility of using both Stonebreaker's and Astral Wind Totems.

Why not macro /equip Stonebreaker's Totem before all your shocks, and then use another macro to immediately reequip Astral Winds? To make it super easy you could just bind /equip Totem of the Astral Winds to Stormstrike (since you're spamming the button regularly anyway).

I'd like to know if there's some problem with it before I start farming heroic mana tombs

Equipping relics doesn't trigger the GCD indicator on Quartz, but I did notice there was a pause when trying this out (equipping Totem of Healing Rains for Chain Heal). It's definitely a full GCD and swing reset then?

Spamming SS/Shock buttons a second before cooldowns are up would resolve that to some extent. But it depends how much GCD juggling you're doing at the time I suppose.

Swapping relics works quite well for spell casting when there is a cast time involved (healing spells), but relic swapping doesn't work with instant casts in my experience.

Something I just noticed is that if my attacks land at the same time and neither crits then it only eats 1 flurry charge. Also if only 1 crits then it refreshes flurry to 3 and the other attack doesn't eat a charge (generally its assumed that when both hit at the same time the first attack is registered first, followed by the OH. Here if the MH crit the OH doesn't eat a flurry charge even though it's after the crit). Although if you manage to get your attacks to land at different times (I'm not exactly sure how it happens, but sometimes my attacks get out of synch even with same speed weapons) then it starts eating flurry charges normally.

Has anyone else noticed this behavior?

Yes, it's a well-known flurry bug (or "feature", it's been around a long time). As you've noticed it's difficult to control so it's hard to value the dps increase, but it is there.

I belive there's also a bug with it so if you crit on the last charge, it won't refresh flurry. Correct me if this has been fixed.

Nope, still there. Is said to be scheduled for a fix in a "future" patch. T_T

You can switch the item in relict slot while casting a spell and works well for healing spells from my experience. Have anyone tried this already? Does the Stonebreaker Totem AP Buff stay if you switch back to Totem of Astral Winds and is the weapon swing timer affected?

You should probably add a mention of Lootrank - Its basically an updated version of Lootzor, with support for haste, expertise, and it doesn't seem to have lootzors irritating bugs, like gems that don't exist.

Any buff generated by an equipped item will be removed when that item is removed.

Not true. Tested that with Stonebreaker's yesterday. Why attempt to shoot down ideas with incorrect assumptions?

edit - at least, the buff remained shown on the Blizz UI after switching Stonebreaker's out. Possibly the pic was there and the AP removed, I didn't check, but that doesn't sound right.

Double edit - Looking at the Feral druid thread stuff about switching relic slots, it looks like the swing timer reset would be the main issue with this. Does switching totem definitely reset swing timer? If so then it's likely david0259 is correct in saying it could well be counter-productive. Aw well, at least I won't have to farm mana tombs.

Can anyone tell me if DisqoDice watershield works? I forgot the patch was coming today until I read the thread in the public discussion forum (I haven't logged into wow for a couple weeks). So, I did the edits to the lua at my work computer and uploaded to curse, but I have no idea if I did them correctly or not since I can't test. I'd like to have the issue resolved before the big crunch comes when people get off of work/school this evening.

I checked it out just today in ZA and it was still bugging for me. Crit on the last charge did not refresh Flurry T_T.

I know I've said this in this thread...

Equipping a totem will trigger the GCD, but does not depend on the GCD. This means that a macro like so:

/cast Healing Wave
/equip Totem of Healing Rains

Will result in a Healing Wave, cast with the benefit of Totem of Healing Rains with one button. However:

/equip Totem of Healing Rains
/cast Healing Wave

Will equip the totem, trigger the GCD, and prevent Healing Wave from being cast.

Making a macro like this:

/equip Stonebreaker Totem
/cast Flame Shock

Will not work.

Now it may be interesting to set it up like so:

/cast Flame Shock
/equip Totem of Astral Winds

and

/cast Stormstrike
/equip Stonebreaker Totem

Obviously the 6 (or 5)s cooldown on shocks would mean you are getting off more shocks than SS so the rotation doesn't work out neatly. That's the only way it would work out w/ GCD's though.

Admittedly I had never used your mod before today, but I installed the new version and it seems to work fine.

Hello all,

I pretty confused as the last days 2 very good drops, dropped for me

At first, we did a Zul Aman Raid and dropped [Fury]. I put on it Executioner and have it. Then some hous ago, we did a farm raid on Al'ar, and [Netherbane] dropped. I couldnt leave it so i took it too...
Now my other weapon, is [Merciless Gladiator's Cleaver]. On it i have Mongoose.

As i read in the first post, Merciless > Fury. So according to first post, i have to use Merciless + Netherbane as offhand. Is that true really? I am pretty confused of what weapons to play, from these 3

Ps

Some say that having executioner in Offhand, is not so good. Do u agree on this statement? As Netherbane have executioner and merciless Mongoose.

Ty in advance, ok i dont complain they are very good loots for my level atm, (although the dkp cost is enormous !!)

Highest dps weapon should go in MH. That being the pvp weapon (doesn't hurt that it has strong passive stats too). For the offhand their dps is pretty comparable, its just how their stats weigh up. 20 hit plus 30 ap plus 8 str vs 25 agi plus 40 ap. Which comes down to 20 hit/47 ap vs 25 agi/40 ap or 20 hit/7ap vs 25 agi. The stats there are pretty much comparable (or might even slightly favor netherbane), so I'd go with offhanding Netherbane which is 1 higher dps. Sorry you already enchanted your fury though.