Hit has a higher value because it isn't as prevalent on gear in T6. There are a few nuggets like Illidan hat/ring and Archimonde bp but otherwise hit on gear is lacking in large quantities. There are not different versions of the sim, those values were just constructed with T5 level gear to save some time/give people an idea of how values change as you progress. "Search this thread" > "blablabla impatient can't read", it sifts through the posts for you and generally yields a response seeing as there hasn't been any new relevant info concerning shamans in months.

Just something interested I noticed and thought might be worth pointing out is [Grand Marshal's Handaxe]. It's one of the better leveling items, and a number of shammies I know grabbed it before heading to Outlands.

When I run the sim with fairly typical early-raid-level buffs (druid buffs minus IFF, no hunter buffs, BoMight, misery, SoE, CoE with no talents, and Shout/Sunder), I'm getting nearly equal damage as with [Bloodskull Destroyer] and [Runic Hammer]. I tested it out with [fresh level 70] and [very well-geared Gruul/ZA] gear sets. In all the sims I ran the differences between the three items was pretty much negligible with the variance in the sims (ran 10 100-hour for each, since my computer didn't seem to like running longer sims).

Of course, with S1 weapons available with a solid weekend of honor grinding, I'm not sure it matters, but thought I'd point it out anywho.

Actually, you've lost me. (Incoming Doh! moment) I do not know of the details of the Flurry bug, so if it's related, I'm in the dark.

Flurry is a result of a crit. Flurry is consumed by an attack. There are no cooldowns, not on getting Flurry nor consuming it. How can slower weapons mean more crits(to fuel Flurry)? WF doesn't change your crit chance on attacks. Is it due to large chance of WF to reduce the chance to miss?
Verifying with a sim is far from proof. It may show a trend, but that's it. Unless it's proving a statement is false?

I bet this pre-first-cup-of-coffee post is going to bite me in the ass.

Well, with 2.9 speed those weapons are amazing - I didn't even consider changing them (two HWL Maces) to any weapons before I got to 70 and snatched two of the Gladiator axes. If I remember correctly my Windfury damage dropped a bit even after that change. I'd say they're really worth the honor it takes to get them - at least on my server I didn't need to wait for longer than 5-10 minutes to get into the lowbie Alterac and those battles are a lot more fun than the high level ones.

Because a higher percentage of your hits that have a chance to crit come from abilities that do not CONSUME a flurry charge but can CREATE flurry charges (SS and WF) wherein with fast weapons a higher percentage of your hits cannot proc windfury and more attacks occur between SS, therefore the same crit rate will actually result in fewer overall flurry charges.

Does that make sense?

I think it does. Well, here is my Doh! moment. I did not know a WF proc didn't consume a Flurry token.

As always, my recommendation is to do multiple sim runs at 10,000 hours and then average them before making any conclusions about the EP values. I've seen some pretty crazy outliers but given enough runs they eventually settle at a more reasonable point.

yah, the easiest way to get the concept, imo, is to imagine a weapon with a 10 sec timer compared to a weapon with a 1.0 swing timer, and interpolate.

On average with a 10 sec weapon, you have 1 + 1 + .64 = 2.64 attacks / 10 sec, only 1 of which can consume a flurry charge. (SS + Auto +Expected#ofWF = 2.64)

I'm not going to post the backup here, but with a 1.0 speed weapon, instead of having a 1:2.64 ratio, you have roughly 10:15 consuming to producing ratio.

That is
10 speed weapon ~ 38% of attacks can consume a charge
1.0 speed weapon ~ 67% of attacks can consume a charge

Actually, disquette if you want to write a slightly longer rationale for that I'll include it in a "why slow weapons are better" section.

That doesn't negate the fact rogues can feint (LOL) and vanish to remove their threat, we have a battle anhk? Ret pallies are still the outlier on threat, but I'm always way up on our threat meter.

Malan, does that intro work for you or do you want some reworking?

Although I agree with prioritizing SS over a shock, one thing that was overlooked in this is that a shock can also proc (and will very often) proc the Stonebreaker's for an extra 110 AP.

Hello beloved Enhance Shamans,

I'm a warrior. Since our Flurry works the same way I would like to hear your opinion, because it would be helpful for me. Your thread has ten times more views .
I claim that "Flurry is an aura, that you gain after a crit and loose after three autoattacks". It is refreshable.
Relevant posts http://elitistjerks.com/621396-post518.html and http://elitistjerks.com/621618-post522.html
Can anyone confirm or disprove this? I'm pretty sure I'm right.

Many apologies if this has been asked before, I read these fourms often and try not to post intill I have some valid reason, anyway on to the question. Has anyone seen a breakdown for Syphon versus ISB and the direct damage breakdown? I have just recieved the first non ninja'd syphon in my guild and have put my warlocks into a bit of an uproar. I have searched for any direct corelation for it versus shadow damage and the direct results of the loss of damage and if there is a topic it isnt one I have found. Does one exsist and can anyone help me find it?

Thank you for your time with this.
Kadah Earthen Ring

Don't sign and use the search feature before asking questions.

A quick search with the feature in the upper right of the screen called "Search this Thread" for "Syphon Shadowbolt" got me what I think you're looking for:

How is that different from what the tooltip says other than not losing charges on misses/etc. (which seems incredibly easy to test)?

Same speed weapons always hitting together for example, effectively providing 4 charges.
Instantcrits making Flurry less efficient.

Error in writing -- Should be Vengeful not Merciless.

Current best choice for an offhand is any of the Season 3 Arena weapons ([Merciless Gladiator's Cleaver]).

Thanks.

Corrected, no idea how that got left in.

It's getting there, but it should include stormstrike also, as that's 2 more attacks per 10 sec that can proc but not consume flurry.


I'd do something like the above quote. But, I'm very longwinded, admittedly, and something simpler can probably convey the same amount of information in fewer words (perhaps altering Atren's attempt just a little to include Stormstrike)

I've read the whole thread before I even started testing. My results are just different from what the guys in the thread got.
They think that Flurry acts like a buff for a whole swing.

It's not that strange.

Talon vs Syphon:
-3.7 DPS
-6 HitR
+19 Crit
+ 6 AP

T5 values:
-3.7 DPS ~ -33.4 EP
-6 HitR ~ -8.4 EP
+19 Crit ~ +38 EP
+ 6 AP
-41.8 + 44 = 2.2 EP, Talon better at T5 gear level

T6 values
-3.7 DPS ~ -33.4 EP
-6 HitR ~ -10.14 EP
+19 Crit ~ 33.06
+ 6 AP ~
- 43.54 +39.06 = -4.48, Syphon better at T6 gear level

So, surprsingly, the Talon is better when you get it. And the Syphon is better when you get it.

Hm. You stated you saw this, but I couldn't find the data points. Can I have the combat logs? I'd love to add new data, especially with your consistent low ping, to the thread.