So, we all know our T6 is less than optimal. However, I am now in the position where I am upgrading my 4 piece Tier 5 and generally other T5 items into random T6 non set items, and I am noticing a disturbing trend. My stamina is going down.

For all their faults, the tier sets have a lot of stamina. Here are a few of my recent upgrades:

T5 helm (46 stamina) -> Forest Prowler's Helm (29 Stamina)
Netherbane (21 Stamina ) -> Syphon (0 stamina)
Vindicator necklace (35 stamina) -> Choker of Endless Nightmares (0 stamina)
Dory's Embrace (34 Stamina) -> Shadowmoon Destroyer's Drape (24 Stamina)


Looking ahead at my potential replacements I see Bow stitched leggings as best in slot (28 stamina vs. 58 on my T5 pants) and I'm getting worried. My HP are already the lowest among all the melee and many bosses deal a lot of unavoidable or hard to avoid AoE damage.

Do you guys worry about this at all?

If you have 10k health while buffed, you have enough HP to survive every fight in BT.

Offset items have a lot less stamina than set stuff for sure, but the jewelry comes close to making up for it. Serrated Blades has a huge chunk of hp, around 15 more than it's T5 equivalent. Band of Devastation(I think these are the best outside of Illidan/Gurtogg/Exalted Hyjal/Chest) have ridiculous stam and you can sport two of them. You can also try to get some people together and take a run at 1850(most easily done as ele; purge purge purge purge purge purge, lb, lb, nsemcl, interrupt mana burns, bleh bleh bleh)the weapons have 30 stam each on them.

I don't really like wearing the 0 stam items even if the amount of HP that I have is borderline unnecessary, but it's fun being able to take hits from supremus while he's in kite phase(with a shield on of course).

I agree with Rava.

Though for your particular guild the amount of stamina you need is directly related to you and your healers.

Can you run out of Rage's death and decay without taking a single tick? if yes; great, you can get away with less stamina.
Does the first heal after getting frostbolted by Rage take 5seconds to get to you? if yes; you're screwed you need 13k buffed hit points if you want to live.

I think only the Illidari Council drops almost 10k damage randomly on people. Very often, they land two spells on individuals that do almost 5k each.

Sorry to derail the current thought, but I have read over the last few pages and haven't seen anything on this topic. 270 pages is a lot to dig through. So, are the badge rewards with the armor ignore worth it?

Doesn't seem like that is covered in the opening post at all. Minus their EP values.

All need to know about whether an item is "worth it" or not is its EP value. So yes, it is covered. Calculate how much EP the item is, if its higher than you have, and there isn't a better item you can get in the very near future, then yes it is "worth it".

If you raid with slow healers, your best bet is to learn when they're going to be slow (due to running, AoE, big burst on the tank, etc) and heal yourself (pot, HS, etc).

If three spells of 5k will take you out, then it will take another 5k health to bump it up to four. By the time you've found 500 stamina, you've basically gimped your dps, and you'll be very safe, sitting back at the Inn in Shatt.

Thanks Toots(had to say that).

I'll break out the calculator today and wail em out.

Did you take a look into it?

I looked through the last 4 pages of the 11 about expertise, and couldnt find an answer as to what the weight is to OH expertise (for orcs and axes). Is it the full weight, or only 50%? I ask this since OH damage increase from expertise is only 50%, unlike MH expertise. Am I mistaken in my assumption, or is this correct?

EDIT: I have an axe OH and MH. From what I understand, orc expetise applies to each weapon depending on if its an axe or not.

This was brought up before and it is a display limitation by the Blizz UI. You only get the expertise on any axe you wield. If you have one axe and one mace, only the axe get's the bonus.

So talon/syphon DPS is = syphon/syphon DPS in these simulations?

I, for one, find that interesting.

What's 'talon'? The TK weapon?

Uhh, I'm trying to figure out why you need to know a weight for "OH expertise", since any expertise on items will affect both your MH and your OH. But I'll suppose you are considering switching from a lower-DPS axe to a higher-DPS mace, or something like that. In that case, 2/3 of the value of expertise comes from its effect on your MH, and 1/3 of the value of expertise comes from its effect on your OH. The EP value of 5 expertise on the OH would thus be 5*3.95*(expertise rating EP)*1/3.

[Band of the Ranger-General] is also better with almost any set of EP values; [Ring of Lethality] , [Ring of a Thousand Marks], and [Ring of Reciprocity] are generally comparable DPS but with less stam; [Ring of Deceitful Intent] has about the same stam and DPS.
I agree and I tend to switch out any 0-stamina items for stamina-intensive fights such as Naj'entus or Supremus.

And the advice to grab [Choker of Serrated Blades] is good as well, next time it drops I'm taking it, because even though it's only a ~6 EP upgrade it's also another 15 STA.

I have around 10,300 HP buffed after the recent upgrades when I was already hanging around 11k most of the time when I was mosly in Tier 5. The problem is not what I can theoretically survive, it's my survival statistics. The lower my HPs are, the more often statistically I die. Dead shammies do no damage, so that's why I was asking ppl on this thread what their experiences were when they started upgrading to T6 and if their stamina stats dropped as well, and if they made trade-offs using lower EP items just for the stamina.

Hello.

I was wondering does anyone know the exact agility to crit formula, cause i've been trying the 25 / 1% crit and taking ingame actual numbers and making ratios and still failing at getting exact numbers in the end. I'm trying to input all my wishlist gear into excell to try to see what my stats in the end will be and what would i want/could change.

Cheers.

Stamina isnt such a problem... In stamina sensitive fights, grab yourself Vengeful Legs or Chestpiece loaded with 12/15 stamina gems + enchants... That should give you at least 800 hp increase, which should be enough to survive. Also, correct timing of SRage and the fact that you dont need mana pots leaves you with 30% dmg reduction for 30 sec, healing pot and mana pot cooldowns ready.

I managed to do full Hyjal run + 2 bosses in Black Temple and only died once on Azgalor and his f..kin' doom after which i ankhed up. Ended up as 2nd on damage meters. Only things i did was switch [Bow-stitched Leggings] for [Vengeful Gladiator's Linked Leggings] from time to time, where damage spikes could ruin my rotations ;-)

Spell Haste: Spell haste now reduces the global cooldown on spells, down to a minimum of 1 second. This change does not apply to melee and ranged abilities.


Has anyone done any simulator calculations with the new changes to haste?

Since spell haste will reduce global cooldown, and global cooldowns mess up your SS/shock rotation (the ugly moment when the cooldowns are ready at teh same time or really close to it due to lag) - it should mean a slight increase in dps... Nothing too fancy, I'm aware of that, but I'm interested in some simulation numbers and such...

It should also mean that haste EP will be a bit more valuable, would be really interesting to see how it reflects item AEP...

As stated by blues only spell haste will affect gcd. and i do not think any shaman here would be even considering staking himself in spell haste to reduce gcd when it gimps you very very hard in every dps stat that matters.

Base agility does not affect crit at the normal rate (no base stat gives standard bonuses). Only agility you add on works at 25/1.

Meh, mistook it for haste and read as if it was giving reduced gcd on spells, not melee abilities. Forget it. Back to -armor and expertise stacking for me