Joy

I don't actually have any problems twisting on Mother.

I find that the constant beams proc Water Shield very frequently so I never have mana problems. (JoW would be up around 50% of the time as well)

 

Illundai

Well like I said, I messed up my BC's first use so I didn't get the max out of that. We had a ret paladin so Sham Rage was only used to shield myself from incoming damage when raid damage was at a high point. I used Haste pot as soon as aggro was stable during the heroism. We also had a bit of a messy Drums rotation, so we didn't get all of them rolling either.

It's not only the mana, it's the silences too. Will and does mess up your rotation.

Yes, Death Knight tanks are/were too good in 3.0.x. Having 38k HP, 76.81% Avoidance (Miss incl.) and not gimping your threat in the first tier of gear is broken. (Yes this is clickable)

 

Morelis

I bet he can avoid it using cow range... bastard.

 

Joy

Too be honest I've never attempted to outrange it, I usually use deviates to minimize my FA hitbox.
Just never get silenced more than a handful of times.

 

Mox

These values seem very conservative, on Teron you should be aiming for atleast 1200 DPS I'd say, which should be easily achieved. I've not been below 1500 dps on teron for months and months now.

I can't see any reason to go below 1000 DPS on mother either, if you are severly gimping yourself with max SR gear (without enchants) then you really don't need too. I've found having around 250 buffed is sufficient for me especially with the use of SR on an attraction.

Council very much depends on your luck with the aoe, last kill I had 1500 dps but some weeks only 1000.

I think a reasonable "base" value for all BT/Hyjal raiding shamans would be 1000 DPS on each boss.

 

Kyuki

I pulled 1400 DPS on Teron last night. 1 Heroism, 1 drum, lotp, BS and EW. No haste pots, no twisting.

I'm a resto shammy, and respecced last night just to see how my DPS would work out (mostly for fun, and we have no enh shammy atm).
I'm wearing quite a few Kara pieces and some end-game pieces, and also a blue ring from a regular 70 instance and lvl62 quest reward trinket from HP :P
I could use a regeming on my pants aswell (very old and did the geming very very long time ago).

Anyway, I dont even have a Enh totem in my totem slot.. My gear is far from optimal, and i still produced some decent numbers there, so yes I agree. 1k DPS on Teron seems modest if you are a raiding Enh shammy.

 

Ardonomus

This worries me a fair bit. I have quite decent gear, but I only managed to pull out 1100DPS on our last Teron kill with spamming a SS\WF\GoA\ES macro and three rogues and a feral druid in the group. I'm not very disappointed with my damage, but I feel it could be better over all.

WWS Loading...

(I got the boots the day after on Mother, and our JC who can cut the orange gem was MIA. )

 

Malan

Got a WWS to back that up? Right now that's a pretty ridiculous claim given some of the gear you're using.

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Myul

Kyuki please post the wws, your guild just killed bloodboil this month, so the fight should take a few more minutes then for a "game over" guild.
1400 dps with full support but no twisting is more than decent and i hardly doubt your number is correct for a 5+ minutes fight and your gear.

 

vorda

Your WWS looks pretty normal to me, only real remark I can give currently is your leg gems. You gem hit and follow colors for a bonus that is worthless.

 

Illundai

No CoR or FF on your Teron kill? That's a big chunk of DPS there. You should definitely be doing more though, why are you not using Flame Shock?

Yes, Death Knight tanks are/were too good in 3.0.x. Having 38k HP, 76.81% Avoidance (Miss incl.) and not gimping your threat in the first tier of gear is broken. (Yes this is clickable)

 

Toots Hepcat

Dude, we're not hunters. You can't just macro everything to one button and be done with it. SS/WFT/GoA is a fine macro, but you really should manage a FS/ES rotation outside of that cycle. You'll still get the same number of shocks per cycle with this rotation, but FS is a nice addition to your dps.

You're also going to see an 80-100 dps falloff from somebody who has a warrior for Battle Shout.

But I think this all comes down to priority. If you make twisting your primary goal, that comes at the expense of shocks & SS. You're going to do less DPS than somebody who's a bit more balanced.

Think about it: with your macro, your shock cooldown will ALWAYS be up a half second after SS is up. But you let that CD rest for 4 more seconds while you ride out the SS GCD and drop WFT/GoA. It's the equivalent of having shocks on a 10s timer, rather than a 6s timer, and

If you were instead to use the shock as soon as the SS GCD was up, you'd wind up with more shocks at the expense of 1.5s of WFT. It could be substantial (shocks make up 15% of my damage when not twisting, 12% when twisting "casually" and about 9% when prioritizing WFT). Question is, how much does it bother you?

 

Kyuki

Wow, quite interesting to see so many quick judges

I'm sorry I didnt post it right away (was in a hurry), but seriously, I've never posted anything on these boards (not that I've posted alot, but still), that has any indication of beeing a lie...
WWS Teron

I did exaggerate, I'm sorry. I did only pull 1358 DPS - which I still think is rather decent.

 

Boro

Good job Kyuki, you did an awesome job in that raid with your gear. I think at the same stage I used to do about 1100-1200 but my gear was better than yours. It was at this time I posted my posts about, how come DPS varies so much on WWS. Someone pointed out to me that average raid dps in my parse wasn't as high as say in Seb's and others.

I think someone else pointed out that comparisons across WWS parses are meaningless, but you are definately at the top end of what you could do with that gear. A perfect run in my opinion for you and well done again.

 

Kyuki

Was not my meaning to come here and boast of how awesome I am - I mean this is a off-spec of mine and just wanted to see how I fared on a night.

I just thought that 1000 DPS on average for Teron seems low, specially considering how I'm quite undergeared for the instance and did more. Nothing else.

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As a sidenote, someone pointed out my guilds progression as something that made it even less likely that I could do 1400 DPS, yes our guild does not have the best progress, but we have banged our head against archimonde since before christmas and was up to about 100 attempts where we decided to go back to BT 1-2 weeks ago. It took us 8 attempts in total to kill Teron (was before christmas though), and 6 to kill bloodboil. Next time we face RoS, we'll down that too. We could've been deeper, that's what I'm saying, but Archi stood in the way (still does.. *Grr*).

 

Kyuki

Thanks however Boro - kind words.

 

Illundai

To be fair, you don't always get a feral druid.

Yes, Death Knight tanks are/were too good in 3.0.x. Having 38k HP, 76.81% Avoidance (Miss incl.) and not gimping your threat in the first tier of gear is broken. (Yes this is clickable)

 

Kyuki

Would that reduce my DPS with 300~?

 

Illundai

No, but I'm just mentioning it. I'm pretty sure 5% crit is close to 100 dps at least :P.

Yes, Death Knight tanks are/were too good in 3.0.x. Having 38k HP, 76.81% Avoidance (Miss incl.) and not gimping your threat in the first tier of gear is broken. (Yes this is clickable)

 

johnnysd

I think that this thread is great, although a bit too long to read every post.

I just reached 70, and while I am pretty uber in PVE soloing, I am not the greatest in instances from a DPS standpoint. I do OK but NOTHING like what people on here are doing.

The thing that strikes me is that this thread is so advanced that it is really not much use to someone like me. I had some I guess "noob" lvl 70 questions and I hope you can answer and not flame.

1. What is the sequence of skills you use to get the DPS you get. Do you completely SPAM SS-WFproc-ES? Or some other sequence?

2. What is the best approach to upgrading my gear allowing that I am not able to play 8 hours a day?

Here is my armory, sad as it is:

The World of Warcraft Armory

 

Rhaegal

While it's true that the OP is pretty dense if you're just looking for general start-up tips for playing an enhancement shaman, if you look through it carefully you'll find what you're looking for. Take some time over a couple days and read through it if you really want to improve your performance in groups.

There's only one thing I'll stress, because it's the most common mistake newly-70 shamans make:

Don't use bad weapons. If your off-hand (or either hand for that matter) is much below 2.6, you're doing it wrong. Almost every single terrible enhancement shaman I've seen (and I've seen a lot) have been using fast off-hands. Read the OP if you don't understand why, but seriously. Slow. If it's not slow, it's not good, no matter what the DPS and stats are on it.

Looking at your armory, other than a ring and a trinket you've got the right idea. WF both weapons, try to time your Stormstrikes outside the WF CD (Enhancer is an excellent mod for that), and you should be fine.

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Imperator

I'd like to see those numbers replicated on future attempts. Not trying to knock you, especially since you normally play resto, but my guess is that you just hit a pretty lucky streak. That's the wonderful and the terrible thing about Windfury. Sometimes you get lucky at it procs wonderfully and you hit big crits every time. Sometimes it doesn't proc all that well and you get rather mediocre crits. Of course the slumps can be mitigated by rolling with 2.6 speeders and whatnot, but you can still hit huge valleys for certain fights as well as huge peaks.

I've done entire SSC/TK runs where my damage was 100-200/300 DPS off my norm with no changes from the previous week. I'm talking same buffs, personnel, everything equal.

So, I think you'll probably be around 1000-1100 DPS normally (which is still awesome) and you got a nice fight in at 1358. Probably not consistently repeatable with that gear tho.

 

◊ Rob

If your tank is good or your gear is bad you can open with Stormstrike, Flame Shock, totems, Earth Shock. If your tank needs time to grab aggro, drop totems first (WF if he's a warrior, it will give you more room on threat) and then start in on the DPS.
Do at least the daily BG and save honor points for a [Gladiator's Cleaver]. Run 5-mans for good blues. Desolation is a pretty damn good starter set, and 3/5 of it can be obtained outside heroics. Make an effort to get at least 2 pieces since the 2-piece bonus is very nice. Ditch items that don't contribute at all to melee stats. Once you are geared enough to go to heroics, do so. Use the EP values with a tool like LootRank with the item level set low.

 

johnnysd

I have not been opening with SS. That might make a difference. What is the daily BG?

 

Malan

That was pretty much my take on the WWS he posted as well. Considering the difference in gear between he and I, I'm consistently at about 1400-1450 on Teron, so when he said he was getting 1400 I was shocked. Even at 1358 I'm still surprised, since I would expect the gearing differences, weapons especially, to be more than 100 dps between he and I.

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