Enhance Shaman: The Collected Works of Theorycraft, Vol I - Page 277

Hodor · 02/09/08, 10:39 PM

Seeing as how the three new pieces of Tier 6 are properly Itemised, I wonder if they maybe went over the "old" Tier 6 pieces too.

I'm trying to find out, but the PTR isn't quite working for me, maybe if someone else could find out?

Gehenna · 02/09/08, 10:43 PM

He said gloves...

Gehenna · 02/09/08, 10:58 PM

Assuming we will have access to some more expertise, what is the target number for expertise?

Ardonomus · 02/09/08, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rob

Courtesy WoR:
3 new pieces added to T6, obtainable from either Sunwell or Badges (we don't know yet).

That looks quite promising, though I'd love to see them replace the mp5 and 2p set bonus with something useful.

Back to my shit DPS. I didn't use flame shock because it wouldn't get it's full 12 second duration and with the limited understanding of debuffs and how they affect the magic DPS I found out that ES would do more damage as a spammer. My focus is to buff the other melee who at the moment are rogues, but we just guilded a new fury warrior and our Egyptian fury warrior got his internet sorted again so hopefully I'll get battle shout back soon. Anyway, because I want to keep WF on their weapons at all times I thought that twisting plus an earth shock would do fairly decent DPS. It seems that was wrong.

I realize I'm losing some dps by not using two shocks, but it should not be anywhere near 200dps with my gear? (that's considering the -100dps by not having battle shout Toots suggested)

I guess I should try to just try to not twist on our next go on Teron and see how that works out. Is it normal to spam fire nova totem whenever it's up and keep searing down when nova is on cooldown, I think I tried this once but scrapped it because I was too tired to be able to keep searing up in between.

Sorry for any bad spelling\grammar, it's 4 in the morning

Raziel · 02/09/08, 11:21 PM

http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr...008_013338.jpg

http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr...008_013351.jpg

http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr...008_013447.jpg

http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/ptr...008_013457.jpg

Chest 389.45
Shoulders 257.44
Legs 398.44
Helm 340.01

Problem is if we can take tokens for this items

Neithan · 02/09/08, 11:49 PM

To be honest I did find new BoP JC neck interesting as well (stupid Supremus) + onehand healing mace is interesting option for me.
Lets hope that we can pick the rogue set or that "hunter" gear is really good.

Also new LW BoP chest is better than Midnight or SWP rogue/druid token one imo.

Rob · 02/10/08, 1:08 AM

Originally Posted by Gehenna

Assuming we will have access to some more expertise, what is the target number for expertise?

There isn't a "target number" just like we don't target a hit number either.

There is a point where additional expertise rating would have extremely diminished returns, however. Against a boss mob, the base dodge chance is 5.40%. Since expertise doesn't round, you need enough expertise to cancel 5.5% dodge, or 22 Expertise. At 3.95 expertise rating/expertise, that's 87 expertise rating.

Shabadu · 02/10/08, 1:10 AM

Originally Posted by Malan

Sure but which of the original 5pc would we wear for the 4th? The helm works if you've had crap luck on the Council helm or are still in line for the CvoS. But after that?

He's saying wear gloves/belt/bracers/boots.

Wow massively beaten. I should stop drinking and posting.

Solomir · 02/10/08, 1:19 AM

Does anybody find it funny that our t6 bracers are itemized like generic dps bracers (aka AP instead of strength)? Seems a bit like an oversight.
It's a bit sad to think that hunter gear and enhancement shaman gear are the only types of gear that aren't interchangeable at the loot swap vendor. Apparently, even though strength is one of our main stats, we'll just end up getting stuck with +AP on all our Sunwell gear.

Gehenna · 02/10/08, 1:20 AM

Originally Posted by Rob

There isn't a "target number" just like we don't target a hit number either.

There is a point where additional expertise rating would have extremely diminished returns, however. Against a boss mob, the base dodge chance is 5.40%. Since expertise doesn't round, you need enough expertise to cancel 5.5% dodge, or 22 Expertise. At 3.95 expertise rating/expertise, that's 87 expertise rating.

this is what i was asking, thanks.

Rob · 02/10/08, 1:38 AM

Originally Posted by Solomir

Does anybody find it funny that our t6 bracers are itemized like generic dps bracers (aka AP instead of strength)? Seems a bit like an oversight.

I noticed that too, I was guessing that the itemizer wanted all the new Shaman pieces to have "base stat, sta, int, and two equip bonuses" so they look pretty. It would be nice if they switch it to STR, but it's not a deal-breaker.

It's a bit sad to think that hunter gear and enhancement shaman gear are the only types of gear that aren't interchangeable at the loot swap vendor. Apparently, even though strength is one of our main stats, we'll just end up getting stuck with +AP on all our Sunwell gear.

Let's hope this is an oversight.

Weem · 02/10/08, 2:15 AM

With all the new gear that will be on the test server and it not being in the Wowhead database (enabling it to show up in Loot Rank), I decided to update my High Raid Loot Comparison spreadsheet for ease in comparing the new items. All gem slots are assumed to be socketed with the gems to maximize the EP value (this includes having the socket bonus added to the stats). Just enter in your EP values and you're good to go. I'll continue to update as more loot is available until it starts showing up on Loot Rank.

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Atren · 02/10/08, 3:53 AM

Originally Posted by Rob

I noticed that too, I was guessing that the itemizer wanted all the new Shaman pieces to have "base stat, sta, int, and two equip bonuses" so they look pretty. It would be nice if they switch it to STR, but it's not a deal-breaker.

Let's hope this is an oversight.

While it is not deal-breaker it shows trend which we really do not want to see. So far at least our Tier pieces have had strength opposed to AP, and now seems their becoming AP even there is rather troublesome for future if they should continue with this new trend. I seriously hope that oversight will be fixed.

Audrix · 02/10/08, 3:55 AM

Originally Posted by Solomir

Does anybody find it funny that our t6 bracers are itemized like generic dps bracers (aka AP instead of strength)? Seems a bit like an oversight.
It's a bit sad to think that hunter gear and enhancement shaman gear are the only types of gear that aren't interchangeable at the loot swap vendor. Apparently, even though strength is one of our main stats, we'll just end up getting stuck with +AP on all our Sunwell gear.

New T6 2.4 pieces

Also that the other pieces have haste where the bracers have AP. Maybe it will change before it goes live.

Myul · 02/10/08, 6:00 AM

[Forest Prowler's Helm] (263) < [Item not found!] (307) = [Surestrike Goggles v2.0] (309) < [Cursed Vision of Sargeras] (335) < [Duplicitous Guise] (377)

[Skyshatter Shoulderpads] (192) < [Shoulderpads of the Stranger] (206) < [Item not found!] (256) < [Demontooth Shoulderpads] (264)

[Midnight Chestguard] (308) < [Item not found!] (317) < [Embrace of the Phoenix] (346) < [Carapace of Sun and Shadow] (388) < [Bladed Chaos Tunic] (389)

[Bow-stitched Leggings] (279) < [Leggings of the Immortal Beast] (303) < [Leggings of the Immortal Night] (391)

[Insidious Bands] (156) < [Skyshatter Wristguards] (169)

[Skyshatter Grips] (174) < [Gloves of the Forest Drifter] (197) < [Grips of Damnation] (198) < [Item not found!] (256) < [Item not found!] (265) < [Item not found!] (300)

[Boneweave Girdle] (196) < [Skyshatter Girdle] (244) < [Belt of One-Hundred Deaths] (248)

[Softstep Boots of Tracking] (210) < [Shadowmaster's Boots] (214) < [Skyshatter Greaves] (220)

[Signet of Primal Wrath] (148) < [Stormrage Signet Ring] (156) < [Hard Khorium Band] (172)

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There is no way with all that gear avaible for you to not going for the 4 pieces t6 bonus. Those new stuff (especially professions ones) is just to good.

(links for the new items should work in a day or two)

Paradox · 02/10/08, 7:48 AM

So, it's clear the T6 Boots, Belt and Bracers are going to be our best in slot for those (Assuming you don't have the Vashj belt), but what would be the 4th? Is the 4-peice T6 worth those huge downgrades in the other slots?

Genzou · 02/10/08, 8:05 AM

Originally Posted by Paradox

So, it's clear the T6 Boots, Belt and Bracers are going to be our best in slot for those (Assuming you don't have the Vashj belt), but what would be the 4th? Is the 4-peice T6 worth those huge downgrades in the other slots?

Shoulders if you look at the AEP difference, but even with 100% uptime on the 4 set bonus, you loose 2 AEP if you pick Demontooth Shoulderpads. Insignificant ofcourse, so it comes down to wich you get first (provided you have belt/boots/bracers) imo

Mox · 02/10/08, 8:13 AM

Originally Posted by Genzou

Shoulders if you look at the AEP difference, but even with 100% uptime on the 4 set bonus, you loose 2 AEP if you pick Demontooth Shoulderpads. Insignificant ofcourse, so it comes down to wich you get first (provided you have belt/boots/bracers) imo

Yes shoulders definitly.

On another note, those Leggings of the Immortal Night are so so amazingly good. If blizzard put class restrictions on the sunwell token drops then we're going to get totally screwed if you look at the current leather vs mail options.

Hodor · 02/10/08, 8:19 AM

Just checked the old Tier 6 stuff on the PTR, and it is still the same as before.

Patrik · 02/10/08, 9:08 AM

This looked interesting - Righteous Weapon Coating - Spells - WOWDB, but of course it comes no way near windfury enchant.

Myul · 02/10/08, 9:32 AM

Originally Posted by Genzou

Shoulders if you look at the AEP difference, but even with 100% uptime on the 4 set bonus, you loose 2 AEP if you pick Demontooth Shoulderpads. Insignificant ofcourse, so it comes down to wich you get first (provided you have belt/boots/bracers) imo

You should not forget, that those EP i used are for my actually gear and with all those haste on the sunwell gear, the haste value should skyrocket to ~ 2.1 ep.

Tier 6 remaining the same is quite annoying, but blizzard didn't removed the spirit from mage gear, that's why i doubt they will remove mp5 from our old items (even if the new parts have none, yay).

Pearl · 02/10/08, 10:18 AM

I have been using an old lootzor link to try and figure out what the best enhancement gear is at the moment. but seeing a couple posts above me ive noticed that it's not so black and white.

Im going to ask it, since i tried using simulators and what not but could not get an anwser, but is there a site or a list that everyone (alot of people) agree on what the best items are for each slot?

lootzor.com - World of Warcraft search and rate items - profile your wow character

this is the link i have been using for some time and i have pretty much collected every number 1 choice according to this. does this list stil stand? (ignoring the weapon/trinket/ring options)

Mox · 02/10/08, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Pearl

I have been using an old lootzor link to try and figure out what the best enhancement gear is at the moment. but seeing a couple posts above me ive noticed that it's not so black and white.

Im going to ask it, since i tried using simulators and what not but could not get an anwser, but is there a site or a list that everyone (alot of people) agree on what the best items are for each slot?

lootzor.com - World of Warcraft search and rate items - profile your wow character

this is the link i have been using for some time and i have pretty much collected every number 1 choice according to this. does this list stil stand? (ignoring the weapon/trinket/ring options)

Searching the thread ftw... or ftl I guess in this case if you don't bother doing it.

Theres been multiple "definitive" lists posted over the past few pages, theres even a list on Yo's sim.

Laziness is not an excuse :/

Yo! · 02/10/08, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Myul

You should not forget, that those EP i used are for my actually gear and with all those haste on the sunwell gear, the haste value should skyrocket to ~ 2.1 ep.

The more of one stat you have the less profit per additional point of that stat you gain comparing to additional point of ap, exception being armor penetration.

Solomir · 02/10/08, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Myul

Tier 6 remaining the same is quite annoying, but blizzard didn't removed the spirit from mage gear, that's why i doubt they will remove mp5 from our old items (even if the new parts have none, yay).

It's only the same for now. Remember that the only spec's gear that was mentioned in the initial push of the PTR was ret pally. Considering we've probably got at least a month of PTR to go, it's possible that we can still get some love.
Who knows. We might get some REAL set bonuses.