Some of the new loot looks really great but it is largely leather. I think that even hunters will be asking for leather drops this time around.

In regards to the numbers people have done for the 2 new trinkets you both ask if you're missing something, and I see something big missing. The proc rate. Obviously we dont know it yet, but you cant just throw out numbers like that without even having proc rate as a variable (thus since its unknown the equation should end up with a (EP x PR) or something). You can guess a cooldown but even if its cooldown was 1 second what would it matter if the proc rate is 1%? Or 0.2 PPM? Etc.
Obviously we wont be seeing exact numbers without someone testing with it (hope my char gets copied over soon) with procwatch, but its still possible to boil the equation down to something x proc rate which can then put in multiple guesses of said proc rate to come with a decent range of numbers.

Yea Berg i'm pretty much resigned to the fact blizzard wont be making non-set mail that appeals directly to enhancement, and that we're stuck with leather or hunter optimized stuff (which isnt bad once getting desired hit #s). Though if what they're trying with sunwell to where you can supposedly trade one "spec" of loot for another spec of same type, we could see some of the stuff being put in, and while it could potentially turn bad pitting every class against other specs (healing cloth taken by casters for a "respec" of the loot) it has some decent potential.

Well of course, and we stated exactly as such. The values we figured on the prior page all assumed that the proc rate would be similar to that of the DST. If that holds true, then as we illustrated the Shard of Contempt absolutely blows away the DST if it has anything less than a 2min cooldown. Hell, even if the proc rate is low with a 1 or 2 min internal cooldown its still going to be one of the best available trinkets. Just the EP value of the Expertise alone places it at 140 EP. It only needs to gain an additional 48 EP from the proc to place it on par with the DST.

MH does 100% damage. OH does 50% damage. 50%/150% = 1/3. Therefore it should be valued at 1/3 the full amount.

PTR 2.4
I was looking at Epix which are changable at vendor Yrma (Sun's Reach Harbor) and found that there are NO Hunter/Enh Shaman Mail at all! I think that Blizzad just forgot to add them...

Just an FYI for folks excited to buy s3 weps tommorow. If you have access to Sunwell trash, there is a new 2.6 wep offhand that is BETTER then s3. It's called mounting Vengeance.

196-365 damage 2.6 speed
107.9 dps
22 sta
yellow socket
blue socket
(bonus) 3 str
46ap
140 armor pen


not to bad imo

You mean the one that has been posted in the previous page already?

Read before you reply please, especially with something that is front page news on WoR, MMO champion and the 2.4 topic.

Most Fury warriors I know prefer slow offhand due to the WW change, They'd rather not have their OH eat too many Flurry charges as well, but I think their mechanics are such that they do fine with either slow or fast, as it evens out in the end. I think the biggest compelling reason for a Fury warrior to go fast OH is if they are rage starved, which tends not to be the case with well geared Fury warriors.

I think the general rule of thumb, is look at the pure DPS number, regardless of speed (for Fury OH choice). Though a Fury warrior with a lot of haste might prefer slow.

I was lucky enough to pick up a [Shard of Contempt] last night. Unfortunately uptimemeter/procwatch are both broken with the changes to the combat log so until someone finds a workaround or updates them it will be hard to measure ppm.

My initial impression is that the proc rate is fairly high(which matches with Item - Sunwell Dungeon Melee Trinket - Spells - World of Warcraft ) but the cooldown doesn't seem that bad, I'd bet it's less than 2 min. If I get some time tonight I'll try and record a log from an extended session on the BL mobs. We should be able to get a decent estimate from that at least.

edit:
Forgot I had the combatlog toggled on briefly last night to see the new format. Even in the short time I had it on I caught two procs fairly close together:


2/11 01:06:26.031 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x000000000055C94C,Xerel,0x511,4 5053,Heroism,0x40,BUFF
2/11 01:06:45.781 SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x000000000055C94C,Xerel,0x511,4 5053,Heroism,0x40,BUFF
2/11 01:07:15.140 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x000000000055C94C,Xerel,0x511,4 5053,Heroism,0x40,BUFF

So that's 2 procs in ~49s, looks pretty promising!

The ring looks nice as well but I have not sat down long enough to get the values.
Hard Khorium Band - Items - WOWDB

Found an Axe as well from 2.4 that is 2.6 speed but it was only 92.1 DPS
Breeching Comet - Items - WOWDB

(ok figured out a link but not sure how you make it so when you hover over it it shows up.)

May I ask, Morelis, where did you get it? Magister's Terrace/Sunwell Plateau?

Yeah, found this SS on the wow forums:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...108_094601.jpg

Also, ran heroic MT myself and the new healing trinket dropped; so this is just a conjecture but I believe all those new trinkets all drop from that boss.

Heroic Magister's Terrace, 3rd boss I believe.

Depends what the CD is on Deathfrost, if there is one, and the proc chance. I'd probably say that someone with a much higher swing speed should see about getting their off hand enchanted, as long as there's debuff space available on the mob.

From a raid wide perspective, deathfrost it worth having on any boss. From there it's down to management as to who swings it imo.

Somehow I doubt it stacks with Thunder Clap or Curse of Tongues, making it worthless for the vast majority of raiding.

Updated my weapons base index.

Weapons Index Raiding Enhancements - Shaman

Note: these weapons are split for Main-hand vs. Off-hand and simply calc the raw weapon dps & speed. Doesn't include weapon enchants, +stats, +procs, +abilities.... just base enhancement weapons.

Next update: will modify weapons index on t4, t5, t6 EP based on 3.1 Enhancement Points (EP) Stat Weight System found in this topic Enhance Shaman: The Collected Works of Theorycraft, Vol I.

Thanks for all your inputs thus far. This is version 1.1, version 2.0 should be better.

- Asirae

Raiding Enhancements - Shaman

Given current testing here, I think you are overvaluing weapon speed and undervaluing stats (which would also affect off hand weapon damage).
Rod of the sun king, for example, seems to be overvalued there.

Please read Asirae's post more carefully:

Hm. Just re-read the Sim part of the OP. It states that you should run Yo!'s sim five times and take the average of the test results generated. Would it not be better to take the median[1]? It would remove odd higher and lower results completely instead of baking the flaws into the result. Nit-picking, I know. :P


[1] Median - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe I'm missing something here, but ... why are you updating us on your blog?

You know that you can just go to wowhead and filter these results, right? You're not actually doing anything new or useful here (in fact quite the opposite, you're posting misleading information by not accounting for stats on items) and you've quite obviously failed to read the forum rules.