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Old 10/25/07, 6:13 PM   #4276
Tsalrioth
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Illidan
Originally Posted by Tornhoof View Post
MH Rising Tide OH Syphon

I still disagree with this. From all my tests iv done, there more dps from Syphon in the MH assuming SS only when WF can proc. I thought all the tests id seen on here also said this.

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Old 10/25/07, 7:25 PM   #4277
Rhagok
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Tauren Shaman
 
Blackrock (EU)
Definitely not all the test you have seen, because surely Stigmata would disagree with you. He is wielding RT / Syphon too btw.

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Old 10/25/07, 10:59 PM   #4278
panny
Bald Bull
 
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Orc Shaman
 
Barthilas
Originally Posted by Bai View Post
On the PTR currently, (I am logged in right now) my spelldmg/healing (from the new Mental Quickness) are not updating correctly on the character sheet. It's been like this for weeks now. Sometimes, logging off and back on changes the numbers but they are never accurate if totems/trinkets/buffs are applied/used.

Anyone else seeing this?
A few people noticed. After testing it seems it's just a character sheet display error.


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Old 10/25/07, 11:08 PM   #4279
Gulvan
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Orc Warrior
 
Illidan
A question I have right now though is if I should keep my dragonstrike or go with RT/Syphon. I know the haste proc is huge in figuring out dps numbers but am I at the point where the stats gained from rt will outweigh the proc buff?

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Old 10/26/07, 1:13 AM   #4280
rava
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Originally Posted by Gulvan View Post
A question I have right now though is if I should keep my dragonstrike or go with RT/Syphon. I know the haste proc is huge in figuring out dps numbers but am I at the point where the stats gained from rt will outweigh the proc buff?
Crazy Shaman's DPS & AEP calculator (c) Yo

I have all of the "best" weapon combos and in game testing as well as sims have always had Dragonstrike above any other MH weapon for me. I don't understand your "at the point" statement because it's not like haste has a constant value, it gets more valuable as your other stats increase as well.

And a big WTF to ret paladins, clearly we are not bitching enough. S3 gear has been out for what, 2 weeks? Glad that stuff is getting changed for them.

Last edited by rava : 10/26/07 at 1:36 AM. Reason: wtf

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Old 10/26/07, 2:39 AM   #4281
drats
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Tauren Shaman
 
Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by rava View Post
And a big WTF to ret paladins, clearly we are not bitching enough. S3 gear has been out for what, 2 weeks? Glad that stuff is getting changed for them.
I'm actually a little concerned about this. We need to get more shaman to speak up about gear, or else we'll be stuck with crap forever (t5 shoulders, mp5 on t6, t6 2p). Offset gear shouldn't be better than our tier gear, but it seems like this is the case with every new set that comes out. Let our voices be heard!!

The t6 2p really really needs to be changed in 2.3. Since they changed the old t1 bonus when our 30yd totem range talent came out, I don't think this would be too much of a stretch.

Last edited by drats : 10/26/07 at 2:42 AM. Reason: I need to read the dictionary more.

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Old 10/26/07, 2:39 AM   #4282
Jinne
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Zul'Jin
Basic DPS calc with standard raid debuffs (CoE/Malediction - 13%, Misery - 5%, Scorch - 15%)
EarthShock: 675/12 * 1.18 = 66.4 DPS
FlameShock: 797/12 * 1.36 = 90.3 DPS
I'm wondering if Flame shock is better than Earth shock without Coe and Scorch.
In the calculation I can't figure out what the 18/36 are from. Misery for earch shock, that's 5, where do the other 13 come from? Same thing for Flame shock, 13+5+15=33? Where do the extra 3 come from. Also, is Stormstrike included in that calculation?
On a different topic, I read the note about Searing totem in the original post, but it only mention the 2.3 version. Is it worth using currently?

Last edited by Jinne : 10/26/07 at 3:01 AM.

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Old 10/26/07, 3:00 AM   #4283
david0925
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Proudmoore
Originally Posted by Jinne View Post
Basically I'm wondering if Flame shock is still better than Earth shock without Coe and Scorch.
In the calculation I can't figure out what the 18/36 are from, misery for earch shock, that's 5, where do the other 13 come from? And same thing for Flame shock, 13+5+15=33? Where do the extra 3 come from. Also, is Stormstrike included in that calculation?
On a different topic, I read the note about Searing totem in the original post, but it only talks about the 2.3 version. Is it worth using currently?
13% is Malediction-ed CoE
5% is Misery
15% is Scorch

20% Stormstrike is included in ES

Searing Totem is worth using right now because we don't have a lot of places to spend mana anyway, if you don't twist totems.

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Old 10/26/07, 3:46 AM   #4284
Morelis
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Lightbringer
Originally Posted by rava View Post
Crazy Shaman's DPS & AEP calculator (c) Yo

I have all of the "best" weapon combos and in game testing as well as sims have always had Dragonstrike above any other MH weapon for me. I don't understand your "at the point" statement because it's not like haste has a constant value, it gets more valuable as your other stats increase as well.
I wouldn't put too much faith in Yo's modelling of Dragonstrike, it's pretty optimistic on proc uptime.

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Old 10/26/07, 9:15 AM   #4285
McMullet
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Orc Shaman
 
Kargath
Can someone tell me the exact base miss rates on mobs based on level?

I had a friend try and tell me that OH has a higher miss rate than MH?

Thanks in advance!

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Old 10/26/07, 9:22 AM   #4286
Xoya
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Originally Posted by Jinne View Post
I'm wondering if Flame shock is better than Earth shock without Coe and Scorch.
You don't even have to think about it in terms of other buffs on the mob. If there is -anyone- else using your Stormstrike nature charges, you're better off waiting to earth shock till storm strike is off the mob, so you may as well cast flame shock instead.

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Old 10/26/07, 9:30 AM   #4287
Disquette
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Sargeras
If you use disqodice and would like some input on the display of the watershield component, I'm looking for help and would appreciate it if people would stop by here:

How would you do this? - Not code help, I want design suggestions

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...6766?page=3#41
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1. Money 2. Money 3. PvE 4. Mages 5. Companion pets 6. PvP

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Old 10/27/07, 3:19 AM   #4288
beetlejuice
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Troll Shaman
 
Kazzak (EU)
Hello fellow shamans,
i would like to add my two words of wisdom.

Be careful with your new gear addition. Don't vendor your old one, unless it is an exact upgrade of stats. But if your new gear has different stats, like not agi and critical strike but agi and hit rating or haste rating, better keep them both as you cant tell when you will go lower in hit rating or critical or any, with the constant upgrade in your gear.
And no calculator or AEP can figure that out for you. Stats are good to weight but you should look your overall stats when deciding your current gear. Keep all different epics in your bank, it wont hurt. Going below 125-140 in hit rating is bad, going below 28% (without feral druid in raid) or 25% (with feral druid in raid) is also bad. These numbers are empirical and are my base crit stats, accompanied with 2 mongooses. So keep your blue crit trinkets and your old hit rating epic gear in bank,. You will have situations you will really need to stir that big soup of epics to make a nice viable combo of gear.

I would also like to agree with some posts, 14 talent points in resto are essential for maximizing your dps. But to maximize dps in long raid battles, means that you need also cheaper mana costs for totems and for shocks. Thats why i really use 5 points in totems (or 3 and rest 2 in improved reincarnation ) and remaining talent points in elemental tree for even cheaper shocks. Also Totemic Mastery is a must as its your only weapon against fear outranging your tremor tick rate.

A good end raid enhancement spec is http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?2000000000000000000005050021250213353115105005301000000000000
that cheap shocks that can make him use stormstrike and shocks max possible time in dps fight.

For 2.3 i can say some things i encountered.

We never go out of mana even if we nuke for 10minutes. The Shamanistic focus is overpowered as between 6seconds of shock cooldown you will crit at least 2-3 times. That means you have constant 60% cheaper shocks to use.The part of the talent of mental quickness that refers to 6% cheaper shocks is obsolete and should be removed.
In my opinion, i won;t post it at blizzard forums :P, there should be a stackable buff from your melee criticals, that reduces the mana cost of shocks from a low discount to a high discount. That would be nice and reasonable.

PS. For the Darkmoon card : Crusade i would like to add that it creates two stackable buffs on the Enhancement shaman. One is your AP and one is for your Spelldmg. Even with 6second Shocks i have had situations where i stacked up all the spelldmg bonus from this trinket (80spelldmg), u merely need 60seconds , or 10 shocks without 2 being resisted continuously. Thats why i would like you to reconsider the AEP of this trinket and add something more to it.

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Old 10/27/07, 3:34 AM   #4289
rava
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rava
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Originally Posted by beetlejuice View Post
Hello fellow shamans,
i would like to add my two words of wisdom.

Be careful with your new gear addition. Don't vendor your old one, unless it is an exact upgrade of stats. But if your new gear has different stats, like not agi and critical strike but agi and hit rating or haste rating, better keep them both as you cant tell when you will go lower in hit rating or critical or any, with the constant upgrade in your gear.
And no calculator or AEP can figure that out for you. Stats are good to weight but you should look your overall stats when deciding your current gear. Keep all different epics in your bank, it wont hurt. Going below 125-140 in hit rating is bad, going below 28% (without feral druid in raid) or 25% (with feral druid in raid) is also bad. These numbers are empirical and are my base crit stats, accompanied with 2 mongooses. So keep your blue crit trinkets and your old hit rating epic gear in bank,. You will have situations you will really need to stir that big soup of epics to make a nice viable combo of gear.

I would also like to agree with some posts, 14 talent points in resto are essential for maximizing your dps. But to maximize dps in long raid battles, means that you need also cheaper mana costs for totems and for shocks. Thats why i really use 5 points in totems (or 3 and rest 2 in improved reincarnation ) and remaining talent points in elemental tree for even cheaper shocks. Also Totemic Mastery is a must as its your only weapon against fear outranging your tremor tick rate.

A good end raid enhancement spec is http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?2000000000000000000005050021250213353115105005301000000000000
that cheap shocks that can make him use stormstrike and shocks max possible time in dps fight.

For 2.3 i can say some things i encountered.

We never go out of mana even if we nuke for 10minutes. The Shamanistic focus is overpowered as between 6seconds of shock cooldown you will crit at least 2-3 times. That means you have constant 60% cheaper shocks to use.The part of the talent of mental quickness that refers to 6% cheaper shocks is obsolete and should be removed.
In my opinion, i won;t post it at blizzard forums :P, there should be a stackable buff from your melee criticals, that reduces the mana cost of shocks from a low discount to a high discount. That would be nice and reasonable.

PS. For the Darkmoon card : Crusade i would like to add that it creates two stackable buffs on the Enhancement shaman. One is your AP and one is for your Spelldmg. Even with 6second Shocks i have had situations where i stacked up all the spelldmg bonus from this trinket (80spelldmg), u merely need 60seconds , or 10 shocks without 2 being resisted continuously. Thats why i would like you to reconsider the AEP of this trinket and add something more to it.
...thanks?

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Old 10/27/07, 5:04 AM   #4290
david0925
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Proudmoore
Originally Posted by beetlejuice View Post
Hello fellow shamans,
i would like to add my two words of wisdom.

Be careful with your new gear addition. Don't vendor your old one, unless it is an exact upgrade of stats. But if your new gear has different stats, like not agi and critical strike but agi and hit rating or haste rating, better keep them both as you cant tell when you will go lower in hit rating or critical or any, with the constant upgrade in your gear.
And no calculator or AEP can figure that out for you. Stats are good to weight but you should look your overall stats when deciding your current gear. Keep all different epics in your bank, it wont hurt. Going below 125-140 in hit rating is bad, going below 28% (without feral druid in raid) or 25% (with feral druid in raid) is also bad. These numbers are empirical and are my base crit stats, accompanied with 2 mongooses. So keep your blue crit trinkets and your old hit rating epic gear in bank,. You will have situations you will really need to stir that big soup of epics to make a nice viable combo of gear.

I would also like to agree with some posts, 14 talent points in resto are essential for maximizing your dps. But to maximize dps in long raid battles, means that you need also cheaper mana costs for totems and for shocks. Thats why i really use 5 points in totems (or 3 and rest 2 in improved reincarnation ) and remaining talent points in elemental tree for even cheaper shocks. Also Totemic Mastery is a must as its your only weapon against fear outranging your tremor tick rate.

A good end raid enhancement spec is http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/shaman/talents.html?2000000000000000000005050021250213353115105005301000000000000
that cheap shocks that can make him use stormstrike and shocks max possible time in dps fight.

For 2.3 i can say some things i encountered.

We never go out of mana even if we nuke for 10minutes. The Shamanistic focus is overpowered as between 6seconds of shock cooldown you will crit at least 2-3 times. That means you have constant 60% cheaper shocks to use.The part of the talent of mental quickness that refers to 6% cheaper shocks is obsolete and should be removed.
In my opinion, i won;t post it at blizzard forums :P, there should be a stackable buff from your melee criticals, that reduces the mana cost of shocks from a low discount to a high discount. That would be nice and reasonable.

PS. For the Darkmoon card : Crusade i would like to add that it creates two stackable buffs on the Enhancement shaman. One is your AP and one is for your Spelldmg. Even with 6second Shocks i have had situations where i stacked up all the spelldmg bonus from this trinket (80spelldmg), u merely need 60seconds , or 10 shocks without 2 being resisted continuously. Thats why i would like you to reconsider the AEP of this trinket and add something more to it.
Exactly what you said here before hasn't been mentioned about 2 million times in the thread?

If you're summarizing things, please say so. You're acting as if you're talking about something none of us has ever thought about or experienced.

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