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Old 02/22/08, 5:40 AM   #7301 (permalink)
Tauren Marine
 
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Tauren Shaman
 
Draenor (EU)
Originally Posted by Neithan View Post
A little bit of sta and int is not worth 6 EP loss?
With Sebudai's EP:
[Demontooth Shoulderpads] - 263.37
[Skyshatter Pauldrons] - 184.63

Yo!'s sim suggests the T6 4p bonus to be worth 62 EP because of uptime meaning the shoulderpads give 16.74 EP over 10 stam.

The gloves are even worse off.

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Old 02/22/08, 6:25 AM   #7302 (permalink)
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Genjuros (EU)
Hi again,

Could anybody link to me to the addon 'Enhancer', I have searched and searched but to no avail. Have they stopped developing it?

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Old 02/22/08, 6:45 AM   #7303 (permalink)
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Tauren Shaman
 
Wildhammer (EU)
Originally Posted by Raut View Post
With Sebudai's EP:
[Demontooth Shoulderpads] - 263.37
[Skyshatter Pauldrons] - 184.63

Yo!'s sim suggests the T6 4p bonus to be worth 62 EP because of uptime meaning the shoulderpads give 16.74 EP over 10 stam.

The gloves are even worse off.
Try value t6 bonus with max expertice and it will be 70ep.
3* new t6 + shard = expertice cap. But sadly it still lose. We only get horrible 2set bonus.

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Old 02/22/08, 8:14 AM   #7304 (permalink)
Von Kaiser
 
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by Lumb View Post
Hi again,

Could anybody link to me to the addon 'Enhancer', I have searched and searched but to no avail. Have they stopped developing it?
Not really.

I'm however porting it to Ace3, separating it into more then one AddOn (Equivalence Points is broken out into it's own AddOn etc), and some big changes for 2.4. While doing so I've not had a need to update the current version for a while though if something is broken and I find out I'll still update it of course.

Also I'm a lazy bastard so I've not been arsed to put it anywhere on the "normal" AddOn sites like Curse, WoWI only World of Warcraft Addons - WowAce.com

Enhancer -Ace2- (Totem Timers, configurable AEP, Enhancement Itemization Points, GemPicker and more)
RaidSpy -Ace2- (Prints out the checks done by raid officers in chatframe)

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Old 02/22/08, 9:11 AM   #7305 (permalink)
Don Flamenco
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Zul'Jin
Originally Posted by Aksing View Post
A couple of things in this post.
Firstly, i recently downloaded enhancer, and was wondering (as i haven't seen the question answered. Apologies if it has been), at what point does holding off to use Stormstrike when watching the WF cooldown icon become detrimental to dps? And even if it should be done at all?
You can sim this. There's an option where you specify the maximum amount of time you'll wait to Stormstrike if WF is on CD when SS comes up. Try 0, 1, 2, and 3 seconds and see what you get.



Also, in regards to the earlier question about weapon swapping to get UR up, I used to do this on fights where the positioning was such that I could get my totems down before the fight and immediately start hitting things, except instead of using two low-DPS weapons, I'd use two high-DPS but fast weapons (like the [Malchazeen] I picked up solely to poke fun at rogues), because the burst damage was low and the relative frequency of crits was high. That said, my tanks are good enough with snap aggro at the beginning of fights now that I haven't had to do that in a long time, and don't even carry the weapons with me anymore.

[Edit for spelling and grammar. I really shouldn't post right after getting out of bed.]

Last edited by Rhaegal : 02/22/08 at 10:27 AM.

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Old 02/22/08, 9:38 AM   #7306 (permalink)
Glass Joe
 
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Draenei Shaman
 
Kazzak (EU)
@Yo!

Is there any chance to have an offline (or even standalone) version of your simulator ?

I have enough time at the office to run multiple sims (erm, don't ask), but unfortunately we're using some very old version of Java, and to access most sites, I have to go through a proxy that messes things up.
There's another computer, though, that has the lastest JRE, but it's not on the network...
 
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Old 02/22/08, 11:41 AM   #7307 (permalink)
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Mal'Ganis
[Bug] ? Totemic Recall still has GCD
Looks like either Totemic Recall should be off the GCD, or the new API changes are supposed to incur the GCD. One of the two is bugged.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."
 
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Old 02/22/08, 11:52 AM   #7308 (permalink)
Piston Honda
 
Orc Shaman
 
Grim Batol (EU)
Do those singling totem destructions return any mana?
 
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Old 02/22/08, 12:10 PM   #7309 (permalink)
In the Beginning was the Command Line
 
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Mal'Ganis
Yes its like a selective Totemic Recall.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."
 
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Old 02/22/08, 12:12 PM   #7310 (permalink)
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Warsong
Aksing, why in the name of the Deeps God you have hit gems into your gear? Aaand a Posion Vial as trinket?


Oh, and another thing: I saw something around some pages ago about the DS proc into Yo's! sim...did he fix it?

I was getting pretty decent results with a Syphon/Rod of the Sun King combo, close to 5 DPS dif as double Syphon and thus was using it as my another Syphon is yet to drop. Although the sim shows DS/Syphon as higher dps still so i'd like to know if it's correct already.
 
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Old 02/22/08, 12:33 PM   #7311 (permalink)
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Draenei Shaman
 
Burning Blade
Originally Posted by Disquette View Post
Also, I'm finally playing around with the new combatlog for updating the mod. The mod currently works for everything except for the WF cooldown bar, which is probably the part that I care about most, personally.
While you're working on that, is there any chance you can add a check if 4-piece Gladiator is equipped (and thus reduced SS cooldown by 1 second)?
 
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Old 02/22/08, 1:17 PM   #7312 (permalink)
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Genjuros (EU)
Thanks for the info Tristan

Moving on,

Just entered my stats into YO!'s sim and I'm puzzled by the AEP values I have received.

AP - 1
Crit rating - 1.98
Hit rating - 3.19 (???)
Haste rating - 1.4
Armor Pen - 0.25
Strength - 2.2
Agility - 1.93
Expertise - 3.22

Also, the 'import from armory' has not yet been fully completed I presume?

Edit: I didn't add on the hit from talents, I guess thats the problem. Gonna go do that now

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Old 02/22/08, 1:51 PM   #7313 (permalink)
Nerodin's Elitist
 
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Draenei Shaman
 
Sargeras
Originally Posted by Rob View Post
While you're working on that, is there any chance you can add a check if 4-piece Gladiator is equipped (and thus reduced SS cooldown by 1 second)?
I can do that, probably, but I'd be curious to know if the code part works first before writing a gear check (something I've only dabbled in before).

Can you see if this is all you need to do to the .lua file to make it work?

change
f2.statusbar:SetMinMaxValues(0,9)
to
f2.statusbar:SetMinMaxValues(0,10)

(just changing the 2nd value parameter).

then change:
function DisqoDice:SSBar()
f2:Show()
gogogoSS = true
SSTime = GetTime() + 10
SSmin, SSmax = f2.statusbar:GetMinMaxValues()

to
function DisqoDice:SSBar()
f2:Show()
gogogoSS = true
SSTime = GetTime() + 9
SSmin, SSmax = f2.statusbar:GetMinMaxValues()


Maybe that would do it. If so, I could build it in to a gear check, perhaps.

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Old 02/22/08, 2:06 PM   #7314 (permalink)
Glass Joe
 
Orc Shaman
 
The Maelstrom (EU)
Originally Posted by T.K. View Post
Aksing, why in the name of the Deeps God you have hit gems into your gear? Aaand a Posion Vial as trinket?
Because i just recently rerolled from rogue and the poison vial dropped and i had nothing better. I will ding exalted with Ashtongue next reset so will use that trinket then. As for the hit gems, i don't know about you guys but pyrestones are very very limited so i can't regem atm. Though i will probably downgrade to noble topaz's until the pyrestones come my way.

I'm presuming the best trinket combo after 2.4 will be the one from magisters terrace and DST? Though with the drop rate on DST, Madness seems to be the more realistic option
 
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Old 02/22/08, 2:10 PM   #7315 (permalink)
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Lightninghoof
Hi, I play a rogue and I have a few questions in reguards to windfury and swing timers.

I looked through the Original post however I didn't see anything mentioned about swing timer resets due to windfury, so I'm curious if this still happens.

I know that there is a large difference between the way windfury on a shaman's weapon works, and windfury totem works. The shaman windfury lands as a yellow attack in the combat log and is incapable of a glancing blow, however, the proc'd extra attack from the windfury totem just says "You hit _____ for x damage." This is a white damage attack which IS capable of glancing blows. Other than the attack power buff you momentarily gain, the mechanics of this attack are more similar to sword specialization than to the actual shaman windfury weapon attacks.

Now a little while back sword specialization was changed to a yellow attack in the combat log, which meant two things:
1. It would no longer yield glancing blows
2. It reset the swing timer on the mainhand sword

They decided that it was too much of a buff and they reverted it back to the original mechanic of adding a white attack and NOT reseting the swing timer.

Anyways, my question is does the shaman windfury weapon proc reset the swing timer on whichever hand proc's it? That was my understanding, just looking for some clarification.

Thank you,
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Old 02/22/08, 2:14 PM   #7316 (permalink)
In the Beginning was the Command Line
 
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Tauren Shaman
 
Mal'Ganis
No it does not reset the swing timer, its just like sword proc.

Vyktianity already has over 75 billion followers. The first verse in his book "Gift of the Wild" is "In the beginning Vyk cast lifebloom and then maul."
 
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Old 02/22/08, 2:18 PM   #7317 (permalink)
Von Kaiser
 
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Human Death Knight
 
Mannoroth
EDIT: Malan got to it first

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Old 02/22/08, 3:25 PM   #7318 (permalink)
Piston Honda
 
Orc Shaman
 
Grim Batol (EU)
Originally Posted by Disquette View Post
I can do that, probably, but I'd be curious to know if the code part works first before writing a gear check (something I've only dabbled in before).

Well, if gear check is too complicated a toggle of a sort should be sufficient. Maybe even player set value in case we get more SS modifiers in future. Something like /dqd SStimer 9 to set it 9 seconds for example. Of course not sure if such not possible yet.
 
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Old 02/22/08, 3:31 PM   #7319 (permalink)
Piston Honda
 
Orc Shaman
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Autolycus View Post
Now a little while back sword specialization was changed to a yellow attack in the combat log, which meant two things:
1. It would no longer yield glancing blows
2. It reset the swing timer on the mainhand sword
Ok, explain this to me, how would resetting the swing timer be beneficial? Wouldn't that delay your next main hand attack, so end up as a dps loss? Or are you just talking about it being yellow and thus no glances?
 
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Old 02/22/08, 3:59 PM   #7320 (permalink)
Don Flamenco
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Zul'Jin
Yeah, from what I remember, the changes were a tradeoff. No glancing blows from Sword Spec procs, but less white MH hits. Since no-glancing-blows meant that the sword spec procs not only did more base damage, but also yielded more crits (though i could be wrong on that one since I don't remember if the procs used a 1 or 2 roll system), and only delayed the next MH by some fraction of its swing timer, the difference worked out to be a bigger buff to sword spec than Blizz intended.

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Old 02/22/08, 4:04 PM   #7321 (permalink)
Nerodin's Elitist
 
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Draenei Shaman
 
Sargeras
Originally Posted by Atren View Post
Well, if gear check is too complicated a toggle of a sort should be sufficient. Maybe even player set value in case we get more SS modifiers in future. Something like /dqd SStimer 9 to set it 9 seconds for example. Of course not sure if such not possible yet.
Possible? definitely. Easy? Given some of my coding decisions earlier - not so much ;-)

I really like the fact that the bars all reduce width at the same rate, so you don't have to guess which one is going to run out when, relative to the others. In the ugly but really quick "fix" I posted above, I think the bar would indeed run for 9 seconds and be done (not sure, but I think so). It would, however, do so at a different rate than the other bars.

Since it's only an 11% difference in rate, it's not a huge thing, especially if you can mentally correct for it a little bit, but it doesn't please me to have garbage code and/or presentation out there. I posted the quick version above because a couple people have asked for it over the months, and I feel bad for saying nothing yet. So this is a "something is better than nothing" hack, assuming it works.

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Old 02/22/08, 7:23 PM   #7322 (permalink)
Von Kaiser
 
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Tauren Shaman
 
Magtheridon
Has anyone ran the numbers on those 2.5 badge weps yet? And have any good main hands been found on Sunwell yet to go with that 2.6 offhand trash-drop?
 
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Old 02/22/08, 7:58 PM   #7323 (permalink)
Glass Joe
 
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Troll Shaman
 
Frostwolf (EU)
I just logged into the newest build of the ptr and it seems that the talent Shamanistic Rage was fixed.

It isn't a magic buff anymore, so it's non-dispellable while active now. That seems to be our buff for arena or what?
 
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Old 02/22/08, 7:58 PM   #7324 (permalink)
In the Beginning was the Command Line
 
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Tauren Shaman
 
Mal'Ganis
All the T6 items had stamina added again, although they kept some of the old stat changes, looks like they did a full redistribution of the item points.
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...6v3_shaman.jpg

Just confirmed SR is no longer removable on the PTR.
Also Shamanistic Focus no longer makes that annoying sound.

Last edited by Malan : 02/22/08 at 8:21 PM.

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Old 02/22/08, 8:46 PM   #7325 (permalink)
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