As I see each item got different type of stat nerfed to get back some of the stamina.
Feet lost some haste rating, waist lost some crit rating and wrist lost some hit rating. Every other stat remained the same. It's good that we have choices.

http://elitistjerks.com/642438-post7130.html

That's pretty much exactly what I was looking for in the new tier 6 pieces. I'd easily wear all three in any fight now.

S3 being ultimately better?

Seems with the T6 Sunwell changes we've lost:

Greaves: 7 haste rating
Wrist: 5 hit rating
Girdle: 7 crit rating

In terms of dps stats anyway. PErsonally I could care less about stamina, so i'd rather have as much dps stats as possible but it doesn't too much of a nerf.

It's not a huge loss, indeed. Stamina IS needed, although it doesnt increase dps, but you cant dps in ghost form, so this only means we wont have to do "on the fly" replacements before bosses, just to be above 10k, etc.

This was basicaly what I had in mind, finally Blizzard made some pretty flawless items for us enhancers, can't complain about any of them, and as far as we know at the moment, they are the best items in their slot. However, there's a huge inconsistency now, since the old T6 items are still loaded with mp5 and not-so-good overall, so it still leaves us with the 4 piece set problem. :-(

Any enhancement T6 I can think of (old one) has some leather or maybe mail equivalent that is A LOT better, so it almost doesn't pay off to go for 4-piece bonus. I'm in a position where I can take T6 pieces, but pass them due to not being itemized properly, so I would get really annoyed if items get fixed after I passed the whole set 2-3 times...

Same here, I was actually thinking of going for a few peices just in case they redid the itemization on them, and then the Protector tokens refused to drop for a few weeks..

Whenever I talk to my enhance shaman I always come back here and it takes me a long while to find sebudais listing of top gear choices for t6 gearing. I was wondering if there could be a link in the first post to his post a few weeks back. I know for me personally I just bookmarked it, but I think it was useful info that other people might want to be able to quickly get a hold of.

Something like Enhancement Sandbox from http://elitistjerks.com/623888-post6703.html?

edit: didnt know how the URL tag system worked that's awsome.

Actually, Sebudai's list is better because it doesn't just give what's best in slot but also ranking for each slot together with EP values because sometimes an item drops that isn't the best in slot and you want to know how it fits in the big picture for that slot. Personally I'd go an make such a list for myself with my own personal EP weights.

Ran a 100.000 hours (overkill perhaps ) sim on exchanging Talon mainhand with the 2.5 103 dps one. Lost 8 dps. Haven't tried the offhand yet.

Stats with my current gear:

Str: 226
Agility: 289
AP: 1734
Hit %: 18
Haste: 67 (4.25%)
Crit %: 30.37
Armor pen: 287
Spell crit%: 5.23%
Spell hit: 3%
MH dps/speed: 96.5/2.7
OH dps/speed: 100.2/2.6

8 shocks per minute, ashtongue talisman, berserker's call use added as 30 AP flat. Normal buffs.

Dps current gear: 1336
Dps changing to new MH 2.5 speed: 1328

I died a little inside.

Edit: Shocks were a brainfart, doesnt matter anyway, since spelldamage and crit was ~ the same in both simulations. The only effect of the error is that shocks account for too much dps, and the overall dps with those stats is too high. The relative dps change should be the same due to swapping weapons (AP is roughly the same in both simulations).

Maybe i'm being a nab here but how did you shock 20 times a minute?

Unless you spec into elemental then your shocks, like mine have a 6 second cooldown which means the maximum number you can use them is 10 times a minute.

If that is true than shouldn't they be able to measure an even greater decrease through bloodlust and Drums of Battle? Or are they saying that its a bug with those particular items?

[e] In an excellent change, Blizzard has reduced the mat requirements for some of the crafted items and removed the Sunmotes from them! http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...sundusk_v2.jpg

In the end, if it's true that HASTE rating decreases WF cooldown time, then we're going to see some increased EP values for haste... I like it, since all the new gear in Sunwell is loaded with haste, which turns out to be a good thing. It might put some items above others.

Could anyone try and test it with bloodlust, haste pots, drums... stacked up and see if it changes CD? I don't think Flurry makes any difference, as we would probably notice it a lot sooner.

If its true its got to be a bug anyways, there's no way that would be intentional.

Why couldn't it be intentional? I think they were aware of our concerns regarding haste effects and the internal Windfury cooldown. It's possible that they attempted to account for it.

Assuming everyone will be using a shard of contempt, it is worth mentioning that using T6 shoulders and the 3 new T6 items less viable now due to the combination of items giving you 112 expertise. something like 9 expertise wasted stat points.

I've got 6.6% haste from gear so I'll give it a shot later with drums and bloodlust.

It would probably be better if you tested it with things that didn't simultaneously haste your casting.

OK, did a 15 min pounding in Blasted Lands with 3.93% passive haste rating (got DST also). Here's the first results I got:

2.79 sec - DST and Mongoose active (no bloodlust)
2.93 sec - only passive haste

Around 15 minutes of pounding, 2 bloodlusts. It should take longer than that to get some more detailed results, but at least we have some sort of confirmation that some of those do influence Windfury cooldown.

Also noticed - I managed to pull off a 2.85-2.90 sec windfury according to timer, by waiting for the cooldown castbar come to around 2.5sec mark and then pushing stormstrike. Some reflex lag + game lag would time the windfury proc just about that.

Have people testing this mod checked it on the live servers to make sure it just isn't retarded about parsing the combat log/displaying data?

I am, for one, VERY SKEPTICAL of stuff like this, given how badly lag plays with the combat log.

If haste affected WF's cooldown, then DST should make more than a (2.93 - 2.79) / 2.93 = 4.7% difference.

Moreover, as lag could easily explain this stuff, I'd want to see averages versus averages, not one minimum being less than another minimum.

Something was posted on the blizzard forums talking about the windfury cooldown not being 3 seconds, and used something similar as evidence.

Until I find it verified that lag cannot account for this difference, I don't believe it. It smacks way too much of the "bloodlust affect global cooldown" rumor (before it actually did!) ;-)

In short, with evidence, I'll have no problem believing it, but I find none of the evidence compelling so far.

I managed 2.86 on live with Dragonstrike and no BL. I'm guessing those numbers are due to server/client latency and not haste affecting the cd on WF